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Loren Pechtel · 07-01-2003, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by livius drusus

That is what needs to be proven, preferably with actual examples of quotes from Jackson that are *FAR* more harmful to blacks than the KKK or lynch mobs ever were. Your list of ethical lapses and dirty deals doesn't even come close, I'm afraid.

Well, the list of stuff he posted included the diversion of tens of millions of dollars. That translates to deaths somewhere.

Loren Pechtel · 07-01-2003, 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by donaldkilroy

Other than that, I am not really all that committed to proving that statement and I think it's best left up to her to do so since she was the one who specifically said it. Sorry Loren...

donaldkilroy

Well, I don't know who *SHE* is. Loren is a male name.

There's no way to prove what I'm saying--it's a matter of keeping them in poverty with bad ideas. That translates to deaths that I'm attributing to him.

Blixy Sticks · 07-01-2003, 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by Gurdur
it really makes you wonder where he's at, no ?

Whereas, there is no wonderment when it comes to Gurdur.

Here's a word scramble for you, Gurdy.

umdenrugoc

Calzaer · 07-01-2003, 01:07 PM

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Since one or more of you keep asking for specifics about Jesse Jackson and are unlikely to read the book I suggested

No, I'm not going to read the book you're hawking. Why?

BECAUSE I'M POOR. I can't afford the damn book, and the library doesn't have it. So please don't accuse me of hiding my head in the sand when I have enough trouble scrounging up cash from the sofa cushions to buy more Ramen Noodles.

Blixy Sticks · 07-01-2003, 01:08 PM

Loren's feminine side is showing again.

Donald, just think Alpo.

Blixy Sticks · 07-01-2003, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Calzaer
No, I'm not going to read the book you're hawking. Why?

BECAUSE I'M POOR. I can't afford the damn book, and the library doesn't have it. So please don't accuse me of hiding my head in the sand when I have enough trouble scrounging up cash from the sofa cushions to buy more Ramen Noodles.

Oh, but you have plenty of time to post away on this forum?

Monkeybot · 07-01-2003, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by Blixy Sticks
You know, it's interesting. You rarely see Orientals, Hispanics or Eastern Indians shouting racism from the hilltops. You don't see employers turning their noses up at applicants with names like Sonjay and Chan. Why is that?

Maybe the fact that Asian workers are stereotyped as obedient, hardworking and docile has something to do with it?

Monkeybot · 07-01-2003, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
By covering up the real problems that are keeping them in poverty.

What do you think those "real problems" are? I'm curious.

That [the "black names" study] was discussed on here when it came out. One thing I notice--the names they listed as getting hired more are common names, the ones not hired are uncommon.
People remember common things better than uncommon ones. Until they address that I don't think much of the study.

I agree that the study is imperfect; however, I am not going to dismiss it so easily. Even if your "uncommon name" theory is correct, doesn't that still speak to a problem with regards to race relations? IOW, the cause may simply have been an "us and them" mentality rather than deliberate racism, but it still has repercussions with blacks (or those unfortunate enough to have "black sounding" names).

Again, this has been discussed on here. There's no reason to think there was anything racially motivated here. The target wasn't blacks, it was Democrats.

No, you have it backwards. The target was blacks, who overwhelmingly vote Democratic.

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Investigative journalist Greg Palast:

Five months before the election, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris ordered the removal of 57,700 names from Florida�s voter rolls on grounds that they were felons. Voter rolls contain the names of all eligible, registered voters. If you�re not on the list, you don�t get to vote. ...

My office carefully went through the scrub list and discovered that at minimum, 90.2 percent of the people were completely innocent of any crime � except for being African American. We didn�t have to guess about that, because next to each voter�s name was their race. ...

An Illinois felon named John Michaels could knock off Florida voter John, Johnny, Jonathan or Jon R. Michaels, or even J.R. Michaelson. DBT matched for race and gender, but names only had to be similar to a certain degree. Names could be reversed, and suffixes (Jr., Sr.) were ignored, but aliases were included. So the felon John �Buddy� Michaels could knock non-felon Michael Johns or Bud Johnson Jr. off the voter rolls. This happened again and again.

Although DBT didn�t get names, birthdays or social security numbers right, they were very careful to match for race. A black felon named Mr. Green would only knock off a black Mr. Green, but not a single white Mr. Green. ...

The biggest wholesale theft occurred inside the voting booths in black rural counties. In Gadsden County, one of the blackest in the state, thousands of votes were simply thrown away. Gadsden used paper ballots which are read by an optical reader. Ballots with a single extra mark were considered �spoiled� and not counted. The buttons used to fill out the ballots were set up � with approval from Bush and Harris � to make votes appear unclear to the machine. One in eight ballots in Gadsden was voided by the state.

The same ballots were used in Tallahassee County, which is mostly white. There only one in 100 votes was �spoiled.� What made the difference? In Tallahassee, ballots were read on the premises, and if they were marked incorrectly, voters were sent to revote until they got it right. In the black counties, the votes were trucked off immediately. There were no machines on site. Voters weren�t told that their votes were spoiled, and they certainly weren�t permitted to re-vote. [All emphasis mine]

I'm sorry, but all that is pretty damn fishy to me. I think accusations of racism are at the very least reasonable.

Loren Pechtel

However, again and again the blacks blame whitey for things that weren't one bit racial.

Example? If it happens "again and again," surely there must be several examples?

Jesse Jackson promotes such attitudes.

Again, example?

He isn't responsible for all of them. He's just one of the big causes of the problems not getting fixed.

And that somehow compares to all the damage done by lynch mobs or the KKK?

Blixy Sticks · 07-01-2003, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Monkeybot
Maybe the fact that Asian workers are stereotyped as obedient, hardworking and docile has something to do with it?

Is this stereotype inaccurate?

Monkeybot · 07-01-2003, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Blixy Sticks
Is this stereotype inaccurate?

Are you suggesting that all Asians fit that stereotype?

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