Ryanfire

Rainbow walking,

If humans are to be eternal (it's possible now), it would create mass hysteria. All the theists out there would claim it as the work of the devil, or some other fictional being capable of doing evil. d'evil can translate to "the" or "of" evil.

The problem is since the inception of human life, humans have let their ignorance and fears step in the way of their true path. To travel the stars, explore the universe, and discover other life.

Since humans cannot face their fears, they tend to hurt each other out of pain and suffering. People will fear eternal life Rainbow, that's where you and others must come in.

If you wish to fight religion, politics and corporate greed, you cannot do it alone, you must band together with every other human that believes in humanity, believes in freedom, and the freedom to live. I think the best way to start off is to petition the world. See how many out there are willing to fight for freedom. Do not fight with violence, but with logic and reason, the true power of humans.

Talk is talk Rainbow, but will you take action?

Ryanfire

To David:

You just admitted in other posts that you cannot know, or comprehend god. Read your quote below.

Here you go again dictating what god is and isn't capable of doing. Just as you started to show promise with a computer/digital universe concept, you once again went back to describing the uncomprehensible god.

Your words being contradictory are necessary, and now your thoughts contradict each other. Are they also necessary?

You will do just about anything for your belief in god. You're an interesting human David, quite amusing, and very entertaining.

Keep up the good work.

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Silent Dave

Actually, that is quite amusing, when you stop to think about it . . . belief in an unknowable, incomprehensible God, has the potential for some pretty humorous discussions.

Christian: I believe in God.
Atheist: What, exactly, is God?
Christian: I don't really know.
Atheist: Then what is it you believe in?
Christian: I don't really know that either.

That's the problem with so-called skeptical theism. To be is to be something. To be something is to be something specific. To not know or comprehend a being is to not know or comprehend anything specific about that being. Therefore, to believe in a being which you do not know or comprehend is to not believe at all.

Dave

Ryanfire

Helen, you should do some research on stemcells.

It will provide you some answers and change your thoughts on death.

Have a good one.

sandlewood

A quick search on DejaNews reveals that it is so. Links to the same homepage. Same arguments, such as atheism having no positive qualities.

David Mathews

Hello Silent Dave,

David: I am surprised that someone remembered. If I remember correct, that discussion involved a whole lot of people and eventually became very unpleasant.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

David Mathews

Hello Ryanfire,

David: I must return back to the incomprehensible God as that concept is both profound and challenging.

David: Nothing of me is necessary, though I am somewhat attached to my thoughts.

David: Thanks for your kind words.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

David Mathews

Hello Ryanfire,

David: God's incomprehensibility is well known and acknowledged by the world's religions and also by philosophy. I suppose that the dialogue could be rephrased in a different way:

Atheist: I believe in reality.
Christian: What, exactly is reality?
Atheist: I don't know.
Christian: Then how do you know that reality is all that is?
Atheist: I don't really know that either.

When you create the dialogue, you dictate the outcome. That is why it is best to let all people represent themselves.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

rainbow walking

Thanks Intensity, I don’t know how to respond to this except to say I appreciate your support and vote of confidence. Let us hope I am able to see it through. The religious sector has a head start and have produced a great deal of concern among government officials towards the goal of having stem cell and cloning research outlawed or so heavily regulated as to make it impractical from a financial standpoint. That coupled with the near sightedness of our current political leadership could cause tens of thousands of wasted lives in deference to religious scruples. Of course what the religious community isn’t saying, and would never admit, is how much scientific success in this area would undermine their stranglehold on the minds of mankind. It is their stock complaint that man has no right to play God, to which I must ask, “why not?” Man invented god. It is time to prove the value of this invention or put it away. If man’s invented gods are not big enough to honor their inventors then they must not be worthy of respect and must be discarded.

rainbow walking

Rw: Hi Ryanfire. Did you check your PM? I appreciate your vote of confidence and your suggestions. At the present time I have no clear plan other than to develop a philosophy based on the future inevitability of man’s subjugation of death. Like most other human accomplishments it is likely this miracle of modern science will arrive long before the world is ready unless the world has been prepared for its arrival in advance. Preparation for the inevitability of an indefinite lifespan must be as meticulously researched and articulated as man’s current paradigm of accepting the inevitability of death has been. It is not my desire to fight as much as to expose and suggest, however, I’m cognizant of the possibility that resistance will be fierce as those who will be forced to resist stand to lose too much ground not to.

It should be noted that death, in my opinion, will never be entirely obliterated from the compendium of human experience. There is always the possibility of death by accident, suicide, war, murder, natural catastrophe and incurable disease. But death by aging, the predominant factor in man’s biological clock, need not be listed among the possible causes. Little steps in the right direction are far better for humanity than giant leaps of faith into oblivion. It is with this in mind that I labor and seek to launch words fit to be tested. If I make any contribution at all towards the turning of the masses of humanity, who have unquestioningly accepted the inevitability of death, towards the hope of a future free from this pressure, I will consider my labors to have not been in vain, but not anywhere near as valuable as the contributions made by dedicated men of science. It is to their success and in their honor that I fasten my sights as I sharpen my pencils and my mind for the struggles ahead.