winstonjen

You want omniGOD to burn everyone in hell?

Yes. We would all be in permanent bliss if omniGOD existed.

BadBadBad

So in English, you mean God created the tree to create free will? Free will to choose what? Good and evil? How can they choose between good and evil before they know the difference between good and evil? Free will to believe in God? Did A&E have the free will choice to believe in God? Or did God deny them that free will choice by making himself obvious to them?

No, sorry, we don't believe in the omniGod. How can a myth hold anyone's hand, and why would I want that? Besides we're not asking about hand holding. I'm asking you to explain how this myth you call God didn't stop an innocent, naive, and ignorant A&E from putting their hand on God's hot plate. "Hand holding" is not a good analogy.

Here's a better analogy. You poison an apple and then leave it out for a 3 year old. You tell the 3 year old that if he eats the apple he will die. Now you watch as the child puts on the smile of rebellion as he goes for the apple. Do you stand there with your arms crossed while he eats the apple and then lecture him after he eats the lethal bite that "I told you so?"


Ok, I don't know what this has to do with A&E and the tree, but let's give it a try. Thinking cap on. Constructing scenarios with and without omniGod:

Living with omniGOD:

Genesis 6:7 6:7
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Living without omniGod:

Life as we know it today.

Compare and contrast

Life without omniGod is life without genocide on a Holy scale, and eternal suffering in Hell is just a myth.

Were it possible that omniGod exists?

That's not possible. The definition of omniGod is a paradox, but I suppose we have to give you that to get through this.

Would these two worlds be different?
Yes these two worlds would be different. Let's call them world A (omniGod). World B (no omnigod) Here's a couple of notable differences:

1. Christians in World A would actually receive eternal salvation in Heaven instead of just being ignorant and living their life as a pious ass like so many christians in world B.

2. World A would be a really bad place since most people in world A are destined by omniGod to eternal torture in an actual Hell.

3. World B has it's problems with foolish christians and muslims and what not, but at least the Bible is myth, fable and lies. The horrors of the OT didn't really happen. There is no eternal fate of singing and worshipping to God, when no one wants to do that now for more than two hours. There is no eternal fate of Hell, and there is no vengeful monster omniGod.

conclusions:
Good thing world A is just a figment of your imagination.

BadBadBad

Are you kidding? If I were omnipotent, and I'd damn near have to be, you bet I would have stopped my 21 year old from making a few bad decisions. Even as a human, if he was about to make an uninformed naive decision with consequences for mankind as those described in Genesis, you can bet I would do more than God did.

I would have given him full disclosure to the right and wrong of it along with a full disclosure of consequences. Would it be a shock to me that a 21 year old would rebel against dear old dad? Are you a parent Sophie? So, of course, no shock there. In fact I expect that rebellion. So he tries to do it anyway. Again. What a shock. So, do I just stand back, do nothing, and then come back with a heapin' dose of I told you so? No. Not on this. Not with what's at stake for humanity in Genesis. I'm still bigger than him. Hell murdering him would be a better solution. I'm going to stand there and let him do it knowing that large percentages of all my grand children and all their ancestors will be tortured eternally in Hell for ever? I'd stop him, or I'd murder him. But that's just me. You and God are different I guess. Is that a good thing?

sophie

What you are claiming here was that Adam and Eve were merely eating, sleeping, pooping and sexing shells. Perhaps this is real evidence of pre-historic man (human) from your part. yeh.

Basically you are saying omniGOD created Adam and Eve, DUMB & DUMBER. I am astounded at your conception.

Perhaps contunual guidance may preface your intellect.

For grown shell people ability this may as well be a learning curve. We just don't play on the same team anymore. Did they not move on to procreate?

yeh.

Seems like the reputed big crunch to me. Besides this could be one of those proverbs taken out of context. You don't believe in the myth, so why should I count on you to quote it close to its connotation.

You have no proof for such a claim. Then again, I am certainly in no sound position to refute it.

sophie

winstonjen : I hardly think this is my choice. Who has to burn has to burn. I accept this as the way of the universe.

You really wish to be a static? This will need a perpetual motion machine. Experiences would have to cost zero energy to fulfill your request.

winstonjen

It would be omniGOD's choice to design the universe so that people HAVE to burn.

You really would rather suffer eternal pain?

sophie

brettc : The implication is clear, this type of universe would not be viable since every possible ideal could be whitewashed with evil. Turn away Adam and Eve and hencefort turn away all humankind (from evil that is). Well my friend, you would have been a very very busy deal. Besides I am not clear on how uninformed and vaive Adam and Eve were relatively at that time.

Nothing else of consequence on which to base a reply.

sophie

winstonjen : I do not think the imperative is quite necessary. When humans find evil, they revel in it.

Pain is a sensation on another part of the sensational scale. The strong will survive it, but the weak and faint hearted will return to dust. Evolution I think Darwin called it.

BadBadBad

No, I'm just re-iterating what it says in the Bible. God told them that if they ate from the tree they would surely die. Was dying an accurate description of the consequences? Eve ate anyway. Does this sound like an informed decision?

In English please. I don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

What is a reputed big crunch? Trust me to "Quote it close to it's connotation?" How do I quote it close to it's connotation? It's a quote. I quoted it.


I don't have proof that world A as described by Genesis is a myth? On the contrary. World A was created in 6 days and has only existed for a few thousand years. World B has existed for much much longer. There's so much evidence that World B is not World A that only a very small minority actually believe it is.

Doctor X

I read somewhere that Shakespeare wrote Macbeth in three weeks.

Three weeks!

Consider the time expended in the composition of tomes attempting to explain the play.

I am not certain how long it took the writer to compose the creation myth--particularly since he had previous sources. Indeed, since more than one exists in Genesis and some poor slob took it upon himself to "stitch" them together . . . nevertheless . . . what? A month?

A year?

I have often wondered what Shakespeare would think of all of the paper expended on his play.

I must wonder what the creators of these myths think about the efforts wasted trying to make them conform to reality now.

--J.D.