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Totalitarianist · 05-11-2003, 03:56 AM

He did NOT create a cult of personality.
These quotes disprove myth #1, i.e., that Stalin started a cult of personality.

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The American diplomat Joseph Davies (American lawyer and diplomat (1876-1958); Chairman (1915-16) and Vice-Chairman (19l6-18) of Federal Trade Commission; Ambassador to Moscow (1936-38), to Belgium (1938-39).remarked on Stalin's simple, kindly manner: "I was startled to see the door . . . open and Mr. Stalin come into the room alone. . . . His demeanor is kindly, his manner almost depreciatingly simple. . He greeted me cordially with a smile and with great simplicity, but also with a real dignity. . . . His brown eye is exceedingly kindly and gentle. A child would like to sit in his lap and a dog would sidle up to him". (J. E. Davies: 'Mission to Moscow'; London; 1940; p. 222, 230).

The Great Teacher himself said:

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June 1926: "I must say in all conscience, comrades, that I do not deserve a good half of the flattering things that have been said here about me. I am, it appears, a hero of the October Revolution, the leader of the Communist Party of the Soviet, the leader of the Communist International, a legendary warrior-knight and all the rest of it. This is absurd, comrades, and quite unnecessary exaggeration. It is the sort of thing that is usually said at the graveside of a departed revolutionary. But I have no intention of dying yet. I really was, and still am, one of the pupils of the advanced workers of the Tiflis railway workshops". (J. V. Stalin: 'Works�, Volume 8; Moscow; 1954; p. 182).

Again:

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August 1930: "You speak of your devotion' to me. . . I would advise you to discard the �principle' of devotion to persons. It is not the Bolshevik way. Be devoted to the working class, its Party, its state. That is a fine and useful thing. But do not confuse it with devotion to persons, this vain and useless bauble of weak-minded intellectuals". (J. V. Stalin: 'Works', Volume 13; Moscow; 1955; p. 20).

I am interested in the response from anti-Stalinists

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More myths to come

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LymanLover · 05-11-2003, 04:44 AM

So what do you make of the Secret Speech?

February 24-26, 1956:

http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/bs/1956nk.htm

Jat · 05-11-2003, 04:57 AM

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Originally posted by xi-theses
So what do you make of the Secret Speech?

You really shouldn't tell the truth about his hero.

Next thing you know he'll be saying that Bin Laden, Saddam, and Kim are great leaders and are just misunderstood.

LymanLover · 05-11-2003, 05:02 AM

I just hope he outgrows such dangerous delusions.

Totalitarianist · 05-11-2003, 05:10 AM

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Originally posted by xi-theses
So what do you make of the Secret Speech?

February 24-26, 1956:

http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/bs/1956nk.htm

Khrushchev was the greatest traitor in the history of Socialism

Totalitarianist · 05-11-2003, 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by Jat
You really shouldn't tell the truth about his hero.

Next thing you know he'll be saying that Bin Laden, Saddam, and Kim are great leaders and are just misunderstood.

My enemy's enemy is my friend

LymanLover · 05-11-2003, 05:13 AM

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Originally posted by Totalitarianist
Khrushchev was the greatest traitor in the history of Socialism

Only if you have the narrowest possible definition of socialism and a very wide defintion of traitor. :banghead:

Jat · 05-11-2003, 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by Totalitarianist
My enemy's enemy is my friend

Tell that to the Americans when they allied with the Taliban against the Soviets in Afghanistan, and Saddam against Iran.

Loren Pechtel · 05-11-2003, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by Jat
Tell that to the Americans when they allied with the Taliban against the Soviets in Afghanistan, and Saddam against Iran.

We didn't ally with the Taliban--they didn't exist then.

We allied with the resistance fighters. After the war was over one group of them decided they didn't like not being in charge and became the Taliban and took over the country.

Jat · 05-11-2003, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by Loren Pechtel

We didn't ally with the Taliban--they didn't exist then.

We allied with the resistance fighters. After the war was over one group of them decided they didn't like not being in charge and became the Taliban and took over the country.

Yes, they were the Taliban, if not in name but the same people, and they were also helped into power by the CIA. The CIA lead agent of the time there even admitted to it.

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05-11-2003, 04:44 AM	#2
LymanLover Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 1,982	So what do you make of the Secret Speech? February 24-26, 1956: http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/bs/1956nk.htm

05-11-2003, 05:02 AM	#4
LymanLover Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 1,982	I just hope he outgrows such dangerous delusions.

05-11-2003, 10:32 AM	#10
Jat Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 1,311	Originally posted by Loren Pechtel We didn't ally with the Taliban--they didn't exist then. We allied with the resistance fighters. After the war was over one group of them decided they didn't like not being in charge and became the Taliban and took over the country. Yes, they were the Taliban, if not in name but the same people, and they were also helped into power by the CIA. The CIA lead agent of the time there even admitted to it.

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