xian

what law of chemistry? Please enlighten me here.

i want to know how chance had nothing to do with life arising from non-life?

Kintaro

as I clarified to one of the testees : carbon and crap, becoming methane, then other longer chain molecules, to eventually life.


That is evolution of life from non-life. But in a way, isn't that just existence/creation of life ? .... Evolution is more into the fact that complex life forms come from simpler ones, some species die off, etc... I don't know if they explicitly specify origin, or something like it.

Still waiting for answers though. Winner gets a cookie*.






*cookie : Texfile written by websites into a client's HD to easily identify them. I'll send one of mine :P

beth

Xian, I want to thank you for this amusing thread! Are you sure you are some atheist gimmick who's doing a parody of a Xian?

Paul2

thank you for clarifying my statement for me

Flynn McKerrow

Evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis, so the question is poorly worded. Not surprising really, since misrepresentation of evolution is a common trait of theists.

AndresDeLaHoz

Chemicals don't bond with each other by chance. Aminoacids don't form by chance. They form because chemicals have properties and they can bond with other chemicals, etc... Chance most likely had some part of it, but life didn't just pop out of chance.

Rhea

Statement A: "Atheists have nothing in common except non-belief"

So what you're saying, basically, is that you have proof that Atheists have more in common than non-belief. Despite, you say (without support), their claim that they have nothing in common but non-belief.

That's basically what this all is about. Right? You have proof that anyone who makes Statement A is WRONG.

Okay. Well, let's start with this. Who has ever said that?

Because Atheists have a LOT in common. They are better educated, better paid, have higher intelligence and divorce less often.

But as far as I know, no one, much less an Atheist, has ever claimed that it was solely BECAUSE of their atheism, and that all atheists and only atheists would inherently share this trait.

So I could take 100 people in the room and identify a good percentage of the atheists just by asking about education, income and marriage. I'd have a pretty good chance of pegging a lot of the Atheists.

EVEN THOUGH.

None of this has anything to do with their atheism.
(Unless _you_ are claiming that atheism DOES make people smarter and more committed to marriage?)





I'm curious. Do I have that right? You're claiming to prove Statement A wrong?

xian

minus all the words you put in my mouth, which I disregard, I didn't know this about atheists. "better educated, better paid, have higher intelligence and divorce less often" - where do you get this info from? And what is it in comparison to? Not that I'm disputing it, I'd like to know the source

xian

You tell me how life can arise from non life without randomness.

explain it to me. Heck, just DREAM UP a scenario.

"Chance most likely had some part of it"
rofl! you believe this universe is deterministic? What kind of scientific proof do you have of this? Do you not know of things like chaos and complexity theories? Ever hear of something called QD?

Yet you still will purport that life arose from non-life not out of randomness, but out of determinism? Lol! Sounds like faith to me. But then again, many religious people have faith, so I can understand why you believe in this religious world view. Its ok. I am a man who respects faith.


you are grasping here, and its time I call you to the stage.

Rhea

What? I am asking you to clarify if that was your purpose with your supernatural power.

Why would you "disregard" a direct question.

This is called "reflective listening". It is a method of verifying that you are both talking about the same topic. You take what you heard, put it in your own words, and ask if that is what the person meant.

If it's not what they meant, then they turn around and put it in different words back.

This iterative process helps to uncover and resolve misunderstandings. It's a wonderful tool in meaningful communication.