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Originally posted by ybnormal
I challenge both of you guys to show me a single instance on this thread where I have implied what you both now imply that I have suggested. Do y'all read these posts? DC, in your first post in this thread you made some disclaimer regarding this, and I made absolutely sure not to go there... so why are we there... again... with the implication that I put us there... I did not.
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I think that what both DC and I read into your "show me" post is this:
WHY is he demanding this (when we can't even demonstrate that its been tried yet in the domain of atheist activism) if not to imply that it is ineffective and should be abandoned in favor of litigation. I saw an implication that you were framing OUR position as advocating abandonment of litigation in favor of public image improvement. (Untrue, as you know). For the benefit of those who may not have followed this thread blow-by-blow, I felt it necessary to clarify OUR position (and yes, to refute any implication (however unintended) to that effect in your argument). Perhaps I could/should have added words to make that clear also.
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...This became much easier when you wrote the following...
"Are you arguing that the constitutional rights of atheists are under direct attack...by theists?"
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OK, let me turn the argument back on you by asking you to give me one or two specific examples where atheists rights are under direct attack by theists.
I clearly (but briefly) stated my perception of the attack on constitutional rights in the sentences directly following the quote, so I won't repeat them here.
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Point being... anyone who could write that, was in no position to answer my questions because there is no way you could have possibly understood them. I was hoping that you would answer Buffman's response to that question, but I suppose you were unaware of its importance. I must suggest Sir, that I think you are way behind the learning curve on this issue.
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You are correct that I am in no position to answer these questions because I don't support the presuppositions they are based on. Buffman offered only broad generalizations that I found unavailing. That is the reason I asked for specifics from you in support of your position. Maybe you can convince me; I'm a pretty quick study (I have recently changed my position on FBI in light of certain newly revealed details.).
If you can demonstrate your claim, I would gladly lead the parade to completely change the focus of our activism to meet that threat.
01-30-2003, 08:16 AM
