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Toto · 06-11-2002, 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by never been there:
<a href="http://www.morons.org/articles/3/1687" target="_blank">morons.org</a> have a well-referenced article tracking this issue.

excellent article tracking the religious right's use of the phrase "the myth of separation".

Buffman · 06-12-2002, 01:18 AM

<a href="http://www.au.org/press/pr4401.htm" target="_blank">http://www.au.org/press/pr4401.htm</a>

David Barton is an admitted liar. So much for his not bearing false witness. So much for the types that believe anything he claims. Unfortunately, these sheep will never learn no matter how many times they are sheared by Barton's ilk. That is what I find frightening and frustrating.

Oresta · 06-12-2002, 04:28 AM

A real scholar, that David Barton.

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He holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from Oral Roberts University and an Honorary Doctorate of Letters from Pensacola Christian College.

tragic_pizza · 06-12-2002, 05:55 AM

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Originally posted by Starspun:
The myth of church-state seperation?
<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />
The United States is an xtian nation?
<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />
Ten Commandments?
<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />
WHen will the nonsense end???
<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Simple.

The nonsense will end when we Christians get the idea that it is counterproductive to co-opt the Almighty to achieve our political ends.

tragic_pizza · 06-12-2002, 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by The Other Michael:


Hi Mageth,

I'd be interested to know if there has been a single year since the country was founded that lacked hurricanes, droughts, floods, earthquakes and tornadoes, not to mention insect infestations (plagues of locusts).

If this "Christian Nation" started out that way, it must have been pretty idyllic until things went to hell in a handbasket as apostasy took over.

cheers,
Michael

Respectfully, when has ANY nation, including the Holy Roman Empire, been without wars, disasters, earthquakes, etc?

Dark Jedi · 06-12-2002, 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by tragic_pizza:


Respectfully, when has ANY nation, including the Holy Roman Empire, been without wars, disasters, earthquakes, etc?

For that matter, why are there lightning rods on the Vatican?

ohwilleke · 06-12-2002, 06:21 AM

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David Barton, the state party's vice chairman, documented the increase in violent crime, sexually transmitted diseases and teen pregnancies in the 40 years since the U.S. Supreme Court banned prayer in public school.

Perhaps he wasn't paying attention when the 1990s had the lowest violent crime rates since they've been keeping records, reduced rates of sexually transmitted diseases and the lowest teen pregnancy rates in the history of the United States going all the way back to 1776.

UnaffiliatedOld · 06-12-2002, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by ohwilleke:


Perhaps he wasn't paying attention when the 1990s had the lowest violent crime rates since they've been keeping records, reduced rates of sexually transmitted diseases and the lowest teen pregnancy rates in the history of the United States going all the way back to 1776.

Ohwilleke,

Do you know where I can find some of these stats?
I have been trying to make a point to someone that the US hasn't been going to hell since the removal of prayer and would really appreciate the help.

Thanks

Corwin · 06-12-2002, 07:13 AM

Come on Texas.... take advantage of this.

You may be the state that gave us the Shrub.... but you're also the state that gave us Ann Richards.

RufusAtticus · 06-12-2002, 07:19 AM

Another issue with the Texas "Republican" party is that a bylaw was almost passed at the convention, requiring Republican candidates to sign their allegiance to the party platform in toto, or they wouldn't get funding. Why is this such a big deal? Less than 20% of candidates are doing it now, revealing that the delegates to the party convention really don't reflect Texas Republican at all. The delegates know this, and being that they are the True Republicans (TM) they are trying to force conformity to their narrow views. That's about the only way they're every going to accomplish their goals.

The moderates better wake up, or the Religious Right is going to destroy the Texas Republican Party.

~~RvFvS~~

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06-12-2002, 01:18 AM	#12
Buffman Beloved Deceased Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central Florida Posts: 3,546	<a href="http://www.au.org/press/pr4401.htm" target="_blank">http://www.au.org/press/pr4401.htm</a> David Barton is an admitted liar. So much for his not bearing false witness. So much for the types that believe anything he claims. Unfortunately, these sheep will never learn no matter how many times they are sheared by Barton's ilk. That is what I find frightening and frustrating.

06-12-2002, 07:13 AM	#19
Corwin Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,369	Come on Texas.... take advantage of this. You may be the state that gave us the Shrub.... but you're also the state that gave us Ann Richards.

06-12-2002, 07:19 AM	#20
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Another issue with the Texas "Republican" party is that a bylaw was almost passed at the convention, requiring Republican candidates to sign their allegiance to the party platform in toto, or they wouldn't get funding. Why is this such a big deal? Less than 20% of candidates are doing it now, revealing that the delegates to the party convention really don't reflect Texas Republican at all. The delegates know this, and being that they are the True Republicans (TM) they are trying to force conformity to their narrow views. That's about the only way they're every going to accomplish their goals. The moderates better wake up, or the Religious Right is going to destroy the Texas Republican Party. ~~RvFvS~~

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