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Old 07-17-2003, 06:24 AM   #21
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And of course [the garden of Eden is] around today. A flaming sword is protecting it with Cherubim.
I've been wondering about this one. If the garden was on Earth, as the bible clearly suggests, wasn't it flooded? Or did God whisk it away when the people chroniclers were writing down the genealogies or something?
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I'm still trying to see how this is remotely feasible.
The caption says "Scale Model of a section of the Ark"... it is just a cross-section and the full-version would combine 10 or so of those cross-sections which are each about 2 feet long....
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I've been wondering about this one. If the garden was on Earth, as the bible clearly suggests, wasn't it flooded? Or did God whisk it away when the people chroniclers were writing down the genealogies or something?
Answers in Genesis says The Garden was destroyed by the Flood.
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Only problem with that is that the description of preflood Eden matches the Tigris-Euprates valley in the modern Persian Gulf, which obvious could not have existed prior to the flood. And indeed archaeological evidence places ancient cities like Ur here as well. Karen Bartelt wonders:

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This poses an interesting question: Genesis 2:14 specifically names two rivers that are easily located today: the Tigris and the Euphrates. Are we to presume that the fountains of the deep blew, the vapor canopy collapsed, the oceans heated up, there was runaway plate tectonics, new ocean basins formed, massive amounts of sediment were deposited, and then when everything settled down, the Tigris and Euphrates just plopped back into their original river valleys?
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Only problem with that is that the description of preflood Eden matches the Tigris-Euprates valley in the modern Persian Gulf, which obvious could not have existed prior to the flood.
Well, AiG explains this away by saying that the people just named two new rivers off the old ones. this does kind of explain why the description matches ("Hey this kind of looks like Tigris, doesn't it?") but not perfectly (there's no river that goes in circles like the one around Eden).

Just playing the devil's (or God's?) advocate here.
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The caption says "Scale Model of a section of the Ark"... it is just a cross-section and the full-version would combine 10 or so of those cross-sections which are each about 2 feet long....
Yeah, I realize it's a cross section...nevertheless, how can one take the story seriously when you put it into a scaled visual form. No way would it float, have enough room, be structurally sound...

Looking at all these project suggestions, it makes me wonder why they push for children to actually try them. Wouldn't you think it would have the same affect as reading the bible does to a lot of people, create doubt?

Maybe we should encourage more creation science fairs.
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Only problem with that is that the description of preflood Eden matches the Tigris-Euprates valley in the modern Persian Gulf, which obvious could not have existed prior to the flood. And indeed archaeological evidence places ancient cities like Ur here as well. Karen Bartelt wonders:

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I believe The Paradise narrative also claims that the four rivers had the same source, which certainly isn't the case today.

The kicker is this (Genesis 2:14):
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The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
The Asshur referenced here existed along time ago, but well after the flood. There is virtually no way Noah could have known the entire geography to have been able to rename alot of the references after the flood.
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The caption says "Scale Model of a section of the Ark"... it is just a cross-section and the full-version would combine 10 or so of those cross-sections which are each about 2 feet long....
So they left it with 2 bays in the cross section. Even the "Korean Naval Architects learned that you needed to try and stiffen the mid-part of the cross section.

I find it funny that they didn't have a real size model that was floating on the water. I guess they figure that by the third time their designs failed and it cracked open, they would just stick to a cross section on a desk.
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Does this imply that they clothe dead babies?
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Okay, I hate being fooled. But it looked exactly like the TCCSA site! :notworthy
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