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Old 03-26-2003, 02:50 PM   #1
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Default Trying to Help - Dennis Miller

I recieved this mixed bag of spam today. I have my own ideas that will get sent to the person who gave it to me, but I thought some of you here would like a crack at it also.

I apologize for the ALL CAPS, that's how I recieved it - at least I edited out the >>.

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TRYING TO HELP - by DENNIS MILLER

ALL THE RHETORIC ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD GO TO WAR AGAINST IRAQ HAS GOT MY INSANE LITTLE BRAIN SPINNING LIKE A ROULETTE WHEEL. I ENJOY READING OPINIONS FROM BOTH SIDES BUT I HAVE DETECTED A HINT OF CONFUSION FROM SOME OF YOU.
Let's remember two words as we read this, shall we? 'INSANE' and 'LITTLE'. As an American citizen your opinion is no more valid than mine. I can have my opinion on the war and you can have your opinion on the war.

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AS I WAS READING THE PAPER RECENTLY, I WAS REMINDED OF THE BEST ADVICE SOMEONE EVER GAVE ME. HE TOLD ME ABOUT THE KISS METHOD (KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!) SO, WITH THIS AS A THEME, I'D LIKE TO APPLY THIS THEORY FOR THOSE WHO DON'T QUITE GET IT. MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN SIMPLIFY THINGS A BIT AND RECOGNIZE A FEW IMPORTANT FACTS.
If the best advice you've ever recieved is "Keep It Simple, Stupid" maybe you shouldn't be in the business of giving advice under the guise of political satirist.

If this situation were 'simple' I doubt very much there'd be a war going on.

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HERE ARE 10 THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN VOICING AN OPINION ON THIS IIMPORTANT ISSUE:

1) BETWEEN PRESIDENT BUSH AND SADDAM HUSSEIN, HUSSEIN IS THE BAD GUY.
On the sliding scale of bad to good, yes Saddam appears to be less of a compassionate leader than Bush. That doesn't necessarily mean that Bush knows what he's doing.

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2) IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN THE UNITED NATIONS TO DO THE RIGHT THING KEEP THIS IN MIND, THEY HAVE LIBYA HEADING THE COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RIGHTS AND IRAQ HEADING THE GLOBAL DISARMAMENT COMMITTEE. DO YOUR OWN MATH HERE.
And the United States is the only country in the history of the world to ever drop nuclear weapons on a civilian population.

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3) IF YOU USE GOOGLE SEARCH AND TYPE IN "FRENCH MILITARY VICTORIES," YOUR REPLY WILL BE "DID YOU MEAN FRENCH MILITARY DEFEATS?"
(Help! I want to say: "Not included in that list of defeats are... - <insert American-Indian, blah blah>" basically wars when the French either kicked our ass or helped us kick somone else's.)

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4) IF YOUR ONLY ANTI-WAR SLOGAN IS "NO WAR FOR OIL," SUE YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR ALLOWING YOU TO SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS AND ROBBING YOU OF THE EDUCATION YOU DESERVE.
If this isn't for oil at some level, then why did Dick Cheney's former company vie for rights to Iraq's oil before the war even started?

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5) SADDAM AND BIN LADEN WILL NOT SEEK UNITED NATIONS APPROVAL BEFORE THEY TRY TO KILL US.
The war in Iraq has nothing to do with Osama bin Laden. There is no evidence of a link between the two. To the best of my knowledge, this is a war for the sake of war. Excuses were being made as they went.

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6) DESPITE COMMON BELIEF, MARTIN SHEEN IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. HE PLAYS ONE ON T.V.
No response.

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7) EVEN IF YOU ARE ANTI-WAR, YOU ARE STILL AN "INFIDEL!" AND BIN LADEN WANTS YOU DEAD, TOO.
The war on terrorism and the war with Iraq are two seperate issues.

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8) IF YOU BELIEVE IN A "VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY" BUT NOT IN THE DANGER THAT HUSSEIN POSES, QUIT HANGING OUT WITH THE DELL COMPUTER DUDE.
If you make connections like this, then you need to stop smoking what the Dell dude was smoking.

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9) WE ARE NOT TRYING TO LIBERATE THEM.
Then why is there talk of liberating them? Did anyone tell the Iraqis that we're not going to liberate them?

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10) WHETHER YOU ARE FOR MILITARY ACTION OR AGAINST IT, OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN OVERSEAS ARE FIGHTING FOR US TO DEFEND OUR RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT. WE ALL NEED TO SUPPORT THEM WITHOUT RESERVATION.
Being anti-war and pro-troops are not mutually exclusive.

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I HOPE THIS HELPS
It did. People don't seem to care for any side of an issue save their own. Stick to comedy, Dennis.
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Old 03-26-2003, 03:24 PM   #2
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First of all, that is not Dennis Miller. You mentioned that, though.

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Regarding Lybia and human rights, I don't think Lybia is one of the three moderized nations that still executes minors. They are Iran (I think, forgive if it's Iraq), the U.S., and somebody else ??? But I don't think it's Lybia. (man, that argument would be a lot better if I could remember the 2 other countries besides U.S., but you get the idea) Anywho, it's against every human rights charter I can think of (UN, Amnesty International) to execute minors, but the US, especially Texas, still does it.

Also, is calling me an "infidel" supposed to be an insult? I wear that badge with pride. Osama would kill me either way, give that I am a job-holding, book-learning, pant-wearing, sex-having, homosexual white female. I think "infidel" is the least of my problems in that department.

*sigh*
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I found it! Phew, I feel a lot better, now. More than three, but still, no Lybia.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/editori...n03/114837.asp

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In executing child offenders, the United States finds itself in select company. According to Amnesty International, the only other nations to have done so since 1990 are: Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen - not one of them a functioning democracy.

And the U.S. outdoes them. Those six countries have put to death 14 child offenders among them since 1990; the U.S. has executed 18 in that period. What's more, two of the countries later forswore such executions - Yemen in 1994 and Pakistan in 2000.
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I should trust my instincts. Snopes rules all. Thanks, JenniferD!
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Also, is calling me an "infidel" supposed to be an insult? I wear that badge with pride. Osama would kill me either way, give that I am a job-holding, book-learning, pant-wearing, sex-having, homosexual white female. I think "infidel" is the least of my problems in that department.

*sigh*
Me too, 'cept I'm hetero. And if that freak wants to tell me my "place," I'd tell him where he can stick it.
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OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN OVERSEAS ARE FIGHTING FOR US TO DEFEND OUR RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT.
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This is surprising similar to a post I read on a news site's BB just today. To which I replied...

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1) This war is no guarantee of decreasing terrorism. Many INTELLIGENT people are convinced quite the opposite is true.

2) There are many nations on our planet that have brutal, inhumane regimes. We cannot overthrow all of them. So why here? why now?

3) Saddam is far from a direct threat to the U.S. There is some links to terrorism (allowing some terrorists cells to operate in the outer reaches of Iraq, paying stipends to the families of suicide bombers, etc). However, on a grand scheme, his threat is minor compared to the likes of Iran, Saudia Arabia (our ally?) and others. Let's not forget the threat of a certain North Korea and its budding nuclear arsenal with range to hit California. Choosing to attack Iraq with all other threats around us stinks of revenge for daddy. Oh and Iraq has a crap-load of oil, what a coincidence.

4)In response to their use of guerilla tactics: They know they have no chance of winning a war with us in a "fair" fight. They have no reason to trust that we have good intentions. We are invading them and they revert to the only actions that stand a chance of effecting the war. I would do the same. "All's fair in love and war", remember?

5)As much as its non-PC to say so, the monetary cost of this conflict is extremely important. Some estimates range near 200 billion including rebuilding. This is unacceptable, our nation needs these funds, we are increasing our deficits and cutting taxes simultaneously. Does this not ring a bell of concern?

I do not call myself liberal or conservative, why does being against what I think is an irresponsible war make me a liberal? I am not a democrat or a republican. I do not need organizations to think for me. I value logic over emotion.

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Very well, said, Bud! :notworthy

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4)In response to their use of guerilla tactics: They know they have no chance of winning a war with us in a "fair" fight. They have no reason to trust that we have good intentions. We are invading them and they revert to the only actions that stand a chance of effecting the war. I would do the same. "All's fair in love and war", remember?
Duh, is this not exactly how we won the revolutionary war? Or do we not bother to remember further back than the first Bush administration (or 9/11/01 for that matter)?
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Very well, said, Bud! :notworthy
Thanks Jen! I believe that's my very first not worthy.
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Thanks Jen! I believe that's my very first not worthy.
Well, just to give yer head a bit of swellin'...:notworthy
That was a beut of a reply
RD - Just another damn infidel
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