yguy

Maybe you'll understand when you're older.

Abacus

What are some examples illustrating God's influence in natural events? And before answering that, which god(s)?

yguy

There is only one God. The name you hang on Him is irrelevant to this discussion.

As for God's influence in natural events, I've suggested in my "probability and science" thread that He is the cause of random particle motion such as that of electrons, since the only other explanation yet offered is that nothing is the cause of such motion. Don't ask for proof, because I don't have it any more than do those who say such motion is uncaused.

Abacus

How do you know this? Why only one?

Why do you think particles have to have such a presumably complex cause for their motion such as God? And how do you know God is a he?

Corona688

And when science figures that one out, what will you do then? Cry foul, admit that your god just possibly might NOT have been directly effecting those events, or shove him back one stage further? Claiming your god causes quantum fluctuations in the absence of other evidence is no more enlightened than saying god causes lightning in the absence of other evidence - what makes you different from those 'religious bigots' you say that science has succeeded in rebuffing? There will ALWAYS be a pigeonhole of unknownness to shove god into because there will always be something we don't know, and god as a concept is infinitely redefineable.

ps418

Understand what? That there is no more evidence for Yahweh controlling particle motion than for invisible Santa beings controllign particle motion? That's already obvious -- no need for advanced age to figure that one out.

Or did you mean to say, maybe one day you'll be older and more aware of you're impending death, and therefore more willing to believe silly things as long as they assuage the fear? That may be true. I see that process happening all the time.

Patrick

yguy

If there were more than one, you would have competing wills trying to run the universe by committee at best.

What makes more sense to you, a "complex" cause, or none at all?

That's a discussion for another forum.

yguy

I'm not holding my breath.

Will you cry foul when I put the pictures I have of you beating your wife on my website?

I agree. We don't know what causes lightning either. We lots more ABOUT lightning, and we know that it's a form of static electricity, but from what I've read the mechanism is still not well understood.

What makes me similar?

God as a concept is irrelevant, and God as a reality cannot be defined, because to define is to limit.

Kimpatsu

Evidence, please.

Abacus

Why postulate a cause when there is no evidence for one?