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john_v_h · 07-20-2005, 06:42 PM

I have repeatedly read the opinion that bestiality is wrong because the nonhuman participant cannot consent. So I am curious: where does the concept of consent fit with the other behaviors we exhibit toward nonhumans? Why is it permissible to slaughter a sheep and eat it but wrong to screw it?

Kosh3 · 07-20-2005, 07:12 PM

lol, not actually a bad question.

I. C. Unicorns · 07-20-2005, 08:11 PM

That damned bleating is actually consent. "EAT ME, SHEAR ME" is what it means.

ok, ok, I'll stop.

Damo · 07-20-2005, 08:17 PM

I don't know... actually, stumbling around with this question recently was part of the reason I went veggie...

JGL53 · 07-20-2005, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by john_v_h

I have repeatedly read the opinion that bestiality is wrong because the nonhuman participant cannot consent. So I am curious: where does the concept of consent fit with the other behaviors we exhibit toward nonhumans? Why is it permissible to slaughter a sheep and eat it but wrong to screw it?

Well, I see no reason why it should be illegal to possess marijuana, crack, mescaline, crystal meth, ecstasy, heroin, etc, but at the same time legal to possess alcohol and tobacco. Humans aren't known throughout the cosmos as being consistent in their logic - just ask Mr. Spok.

I think it boils down to laws reflecting what a majority of people like or dislike, or want or don't want. It's that simple. E.g., most people are grossed out by the idea of fucking a sheep - so it is illegal. Many people like to eat rack of lamb with mint pepper jelly - so that is perfectly legal. I really don’t think it’s anymore complicated than that.

Loren Pechtel · 07-20-2005, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by john_v_h

I have repeatedly read the opinion that bestiality is wrong because the nonhuman participant cannot consent. So I am curious: where does the concept of consent fit with the other behaviors we exhibit toward nonhumans? Why is it permissible to slaughter a sheep and eat it but wrong to screw it?

That's the problem with that definition.

I don't categorically consider beastiality wrong. Rather, I think the applicable standard should be cruelty to animals.

If you're hurting the animal it's wrong. If you're not then as far as I'm concerned it's your business.

Bunneh · 07-20-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by I. C. Unicorns

That damned bleating is actually consent. "EAT ME, SHEAR ME" is what it means.

ok, ok, I'll stop.

http://www.tshirthell.com/store/prod...?productid=492

JGL53 · 07-20-2005, 09:25 PM

Seemingly off topic, but not really -

Y'all do know why farmers wear those knee-high rubber boots, doncha?

Damo · 07-20-2005, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JGL53

Humans aren't known throughout the cosmos as being consistent in their logic - just ask Mr. Spok.

I think it boils down to laws reflecting what a majority of people like or dislike, or want or don't want. It's that simple. E.g., most people are grossed out by the idea of fucking a sheep - so it is illegal. Many people like to eat rack of lamb with mint pepper jelly - so that is perfectly legal. I really don’t think it’s anymore complicated than that.

agree... I mean logically people should be grossed out by half of what goes on in a slaughter house... as much they are grossed out by someone fucking a sheep... but then again, "grossed out" is one of those illogical emotions...

nitpick: Spock by the way, Mr. Spock...

Straight Hate · 07-20-2005, 10:12 PM

I stand by the grey adage just because it's not wrong doesn't mean it's right. You get the idea... Unfortunately, most people need things spelled out for them.

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Kosh3 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: zero point Posts: 2,004	lol, not actually a bad question.

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I. C. Unicorns Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San José, Calif. Posts: 2,796	That damned bleating is actually consent. "EAT ME, SHEAR ME" is what it means. ok, ok, I'll stop.

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Damo Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pale Blue Dot Posts: 179	I don't know... actually, stumbling around with this question recently was part of the reason I went veggie...

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JGL53 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outer Mongolia Posts: 4,091	Seemingly off topic, but not really - Y'all do know why farmers wear those knee-high rubber boots, doncha?

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Straight Hate Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 4,171	I stand by the grey adage just because it's not wrong doesn't mean it's right. You get the idea... Unfortunately, most people need things spelled out for them.

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