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mark9950 · 07-20-2003, 06:07 PM

A form of slavery?

You see jesus christ said ask and it shall be given,Eveytime I used to ask jesus for food it turns out that I have to give the food store owner money for food,But jesus said ask not give money to.

What is going on here?Is jesus a liar?

Demosthenes · 07-22-2003, 09:48 AM

What about those who sell sexual services for movie productions which are in turn sold to people for their sexual gratification? There's no form of contact involved between the actors and the people who view the videos. I'm talking about the porn industry of course.

Is that a form of prostitution? I'm inclined to think so.

Silent Acorns · 07-22-2003, 04:32 PM

I think Arken's mother is stretching the definition of prostitution too far, to the point where such a definition drains the term of almost all meaning. Prostitution is the exchange of sex for money. How we define sex may be fuzzy, but it should at least include physical contact. By Arken's mother's definition the sale of a vibrator or even lubricant qualifies as prostitution. That's just silly.

Daleth · 07-22-2003, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Demosthenes
What about those who sell sexual services for movie productions which are in turn sold to people for their sexual gratification? There's no form of contact involved between the actors and the people who view the videos. I'm talking about the porn industry of course.

That would be prostitution on the parts of both actors (both being paid to have sex with someone else) and the customer would be the producer of the porn, not the consumer. I'm not sure how they get around this in the law, but there is some special exemption there. And I still don't care.

Loren Pechtel · 07-22-2003, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by Demosthenes
What about those who sell sexual services for movie productions which are in turn sold to people for their sexual gratification? There's no form of contact involved between the actors and the people who view the videos. I'm talking about the porn industry of course.

Is that a form of prostitution? I'm inclined to think so.

Maybe. If the only reason they are having sex is for the movie then it's prostitution. If it's a couple who has sex anyway and simply does it in front of the camera for money (like most amateur tapes are) then it's not prostitution.

Demosthenes · 07-22-2003, 08:55 PM

Which brings me to a slightly different topic, should prostitution be natioanlly legalized. There haven't really been any compelling reasons other than those based on religion and emotional overmilking that I know of for prostitution to be illegal.

What is immoral about selling sex for money?

None. The only good reason for making prostitution illegal is for health concerns. But even so by forcing prostitution underground there is no public health regulation which may led to even greater health risk than if it had been legal in the first place.

Sex laws have been repealed all over states, what's stopping the logical extension to prostitution laws?

Shake · 07-23-2003, 01:05 PM

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Essentially, her argument with selling of used underwear on eBay being prostitution is this:

The underwear was formerly worn, therefore it contains (for lack of a more tasteful word) remnants of that person's body... i.e. a former part of them.

When a part or former part of someone is sold for sexual gratification, my mother believes that it is then prostitution. She also believes that any sort of one-on-one contact where money exchanges hands for sexual gratification is a form of prostitution... i.e. private stripping, phone sex, etc. I think that makes the definition of prostitution far too broad.

So if I spit into the ocean, does that mean I'm swimming?

chanoc · 07-26-2003, 03:26 AM

A female friend (over the Internet) was IMing me and sending email, and it got heated. We were cybering on Web cam, and sending eachother snail mail. I sent videos of me masturbating, and she would send panties and pictures. I do not consider this to be a sexual relationship, but one of voyerism and fetish. I have to disagree about the trading on ebay being prostitution. Prostitution is picking up a crack hoe, getting her a phat-ass crack rock, and having her suck off the whole crew.

Been there, done that!

Arken · 07-26-2003, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by chanoc
A female friend (over the Internet) was IMing me and sending email, and it got heated. We were cybering on Web cam, and sending eachother snail mail. I sent videos of me masturbating, and she would send panties and pictures. I do not consider this to be a sexual relationship, but one of voyerism and fetish. I have to disagree about the trading on ebay being prostitution. Prostitution is picking up a crack hoe, getting her a phat-ass crack rock, and having her suck off the whole crew. Been there, done that!

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enfant terrible · 07-26-2003, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
If the only reason they are having sex is for the movie then it's prostitution. If it's a couple who has sex anyway and simply does it in front of the camera for money (like most amateur tapes are) then it's not prostitution.

And how can you determine which it is?

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mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Is working for your employer A form of slavery? You see jesus christ said ask and it shall be given,Eveytime I used to ask jesus for food it turns out that I have to give the food store owner money for food,But jesus said ask not give money to. What is going on here?Is jesus a liar?

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07-22-2003, 09:48 AM	#12
Demosthenes Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: a speck of dirt Posts: 2,510	What about those who sell sexual services for movie productions which are in turn sold to people for their sexual gratification? There's no form of contact involved between the actors and the people who view the videos. I'm talking about the porn industry of course. Is that a form of prostitution? I'm inclined to think so.

07-22-2003, 04:32 PM	#13
Silent Acorns Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: SW 31 52 24W4 Posts: 1,508	I think Arken's mother is stretching the definition of prostitution too far, to the point where such a definition drains the term of almost all meaning. Prostitution is the exchange of sex for money. How we define sex may be fuzzy, but it should at least include physical contact. By Arken's mother's definition the sale of a vibrator or even lubricant qualifies as prostitution. That's just silly.

07-22-2003, 08:55 PM	#16
Demosthenes Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: a speck of dirt Posts: 2,510	Which brings me to a slightly different topic, should prostitution be natioanlly legalized. There haven't really been any compelling reasons other than those based on religion and emotional overmilking that I know of for prostitution to be illegal. What is immoral about selling sex for money? None. The only good reason for making prostitution illegal is for health concerns. But even so by forcing prostitution underground there is no public health regulation which may led to even greater health risk than if it had been legal in the first place. Sex laws have been repealed all over states, what's stopping the logical extension to prostitution laws?

07-26-2003, 03:26 AM	#18
chanoc Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Auke Bay, Alaska Posts: 422	A female friend (over the Internet) was IMing me and sending email, and it got heated. We were cybering on Web cam, and sending eachother snail mail. I sent videos of me masturbating, and she would send panties and pictures. I do not consider this to be a sexual relationship, but one of voyerism and fetish. I have to disagree about the trading on ebay being prostitution. Prostitution is picking up a crack hoe, getting her a phat-ass crack rock, and having her suck off the whole crew. Been there, done that!

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