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GeoTheo · 09-05-2002, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Goliath:
<strong>Tercel,

I am an atheist, but not a materialist. Therefore your assertion of the equivalence of atheism and materialism is demonstrably false.

As far as my beliefs are concerned, here is a complete and total list of my beliefs regarding the origin of the universe, as well as a complete and total list of my beliefs regarding anything supernatural:

Nothing.

Sincerely,

Goliath</strong>

Are you sure that your belief is logical? You seem to think you can merely will your world view into being.

Goliath · 09-05-2002, 12:21 PM

GeoTheo,

Quote:

Originally posted by GeoTheo:
<strong>

Are you sure that your belief is logical? You seem to think you can merely will your world view into being.</strong>

You should read over my previous post again. As I've said, regarding the origins of the universe and the supernatural, I have no beliefs whatsoever. So, your question above makes no sense.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Goliath · 09-05-2002, 12:22 PM

Tercel,

Quote:

I was really thinking of people who actually had beliefs when I phrased the question.

Fair enough.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Vorkosigan · 09-05-2002, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tercel:
[QB]What I am questioning is not so much whether there is someone who is an atheist but not a materialist, but whether it is possible for such a person to have consistent beliefs.
[QB]

Of course, Tercel. You could be an atheist and a believer in ESP. Is that what you mean?

Marduk · 09-07-2002, 06:59 AM

I think my reply to this would be pretty much the same as my reply to the Christin God thread:

Seems like there are two types of gods, the one who created the universe but somehow is not part of it, and, to me anyway, the more reasonable god who is the universe and everything in it.
East/West, never the twain shall meet.
Once you go beyond the primitive anthropomorphic old white man with a beard asking Adam to "pull my finger" type god you enter into a pointless semantic duel. Like the old 'if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it does it make a sound?' type thing, Depends on how you define sound ...yadda yadda yadda. which is why I usually avoid this forum.
The theist won't accept that god is a metaphor, the materialist won't accept that the universe is an illusion maintained by god.
"Jehova's Blasphemy"

carry on grasshopper

Eudaimonist · 09-08-2002, 07:51 AM

The materialism of which you speak is a reductionistic monism, and I am against that. I'm also against an unintegrated dualism of the material and spiritual.

I think the natural universe is all there is, but it is more than some reductionistic conception of "matter in motion". We are conscious, physical entities. We need a non-reductionistic and integrated understanding of mind and body to fully appreciate our nature.

Malcolm_MacDohmnall · 09-10-2002, 11:22 PM

Tercel:

How can you have only materialism in a non-local Universe?

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09-07-2002, 06:59 AM	#25
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	I think my reply to this would be pretty much the same as my reply to the Christin God thread: Seems like there are two types of gods, the one who created the universe but somehow is not part of it, and, to me anyway, the more reasonable god who is the universe and everything in it. East/West, never the twain shall meet. Once you go beyond the primitive anthropomorphic old white man with a beard asking Adam to "pull my finger" type god you enter into a pointless semantic duel. Like the old 'if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it does it make a sound?' type thing, Depends on how you define sound ...yadda yadda yadda. which is why I usually avoid this forum. The theist won't accept that god is a metaphor, the materialist won't accept that the universe is an illusion maintained by god. "Jehova's Blasphemy" carry on grasshopper

09-08-2002, 07:51 AM	#26
Eudaimonist Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Sundsvall, Sweden Posts: 3,159	The materialism of which you speak is a reductionistic monism, and I am against that. I'm also against an unintegrated dualism of the material and spiritual. I think the natural universe is all there is, but it is more than some reductionistic conception of "matter in motion". We are conscious, physical entities. We need a non-reductionistic and integrated understanding of mind and body to fully appreciate our nature.

09-10-2002, 11:22 PM	#27
Malcolm_MacDohmnall Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 13	Tercel: How can you have only materialism in a non-local Universe?

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