GodLessWarrior

Come on madmavman45, everyone knows that sin isn't the cause of environmental destruction by humans. OBVIOUSLY, its water. Everyone who has ever destroyed part of the environment has had water at least once or twice in their lives. Clearly we should all band together and rid ourselves of this horrible substance.

~ToM

Godless Dave

The very idea that the earth is only our temporary home is dangerous. The fact is the earth is humanity's only home. Even if we make it to the stars someday it's unlikely we will find or even build a planet as hospitable to us as this one is. If we want to ensure our survival as a species we need to protect the global ecosystem we live in.

Non-praying Mantis

Thanks for getting that nit offa me!

NPM

Magus55

There ya go again making factual statements. Since you are now making the positive assertion, please prove to me that its a fact that Earth is humanity's only home.

madmavman45

brilliant idea about the water thing. those people also seem to breath air! and they need to consume food on a regular basis to surivive! maybe if we get rid of air and food as well, everything will be all okay.. lol.. well, now you've got me curious? why is it that humans are destructive to their environments? why is it that we cannot truly act without leaving a mark? and everyone is "harming" the environment (although the world seems to do a rather good job of emasculating itself, as a single volcano produces more pollution than we do in years.. and earthquakes, and cows....) something we need to go crazy over? i guess if you're placing all your hope and trust in this world, then, i could understand why you'd be anxious, etc. silly and unfounded, but i can understand.

there really is nothing different between someone who has environmentalism as their religion (and it most DEFINATLY qualifies as one for some people) and someone who is quite bent on destroying everything for his own personal gain. i'm not a touchy-feely let's-all-just-get-along person, but this is certainly an issue where moderation and wisdom need to take precedence. either extreme is quite dangerous.

Godless Dave

Sure.

No evidence exists of humans living anywhere else.

No evidence exists that humans ever lived somewhere else. On the contrary, there is overwhelming evidence that we have always lived here and are descended from other animals that live here.

No evidence exists of human consciousness continuing beyond death.

Godless Dave

All animals modify their environment in some way. Ants dig up dirt, beavers build dams, etc. But modifying it too much can be toxic. When I brew beer I put yeast in an environment where they have massive amounts of food to eat. Eventually they choke on their own waste. Since we have the intelligence to modify our environment far more than any other animal we have the capability of doing far more damage. But we also have the intelligence to figure out ways to survive and live comfortably without damaging it unduly; ie. minimize the damage.


I'd like to see you back up that volcano fact. As for cows, they only pollute so much because we have domesticated them and artificially increased their population/living space ratio. Also domestic cows are the product of centuries of controlled breeding; they wouldn't even exist without human intervention.

I see your point. Certainly if we're going to live here we're going to have an impact. But I think it is worthwhile to minimize that impact. Species go extinct naturally; I don't think it's a good idea from a practical or a moral standpoint to increase the extinction rate. The extreme environmentalists you cite exist, but they are a small minority of the people who are concerned about the planet.

The Lone Ranger

I assume that this is a reference to the widely-circulated claim that a single volcanic eruption produces more ozone-depleting chemicals than all human activities do over the course of several years. I've seen this claim made lots of times.

The problem is, it's false.

Cheers,

Michael

Magus55

Lack of evidence doesn't make it a fact. And we can't prove all NDE's where people see a spiritual world are false.

And lack of evidence also isn't proof.

Hedwig

Even if your beliefs turn out to be right, wouldn't it make sense to err on the side of caution (i.e. the belief that the earth is the only home we have.) Humanity's first purpose is to see it it's own survival. That, at this time, includes the survival and the well-being of the planet and all the other species that we share it with.