Sabine Grant

Also to consider that the betterment of society can be propelled by rehabilitation programs where those who attack the fabric of morality can then become productive individuals.
I am moreso thinking of individuals who have commited crimes against society ( I am not talking about controversial ideology which challenges what we define as morality).. I believe that a decent percentage of such individuals would wish to be given a second chance after they complete their sentence.
Again Trexabian, your " I disagree" to the comments I posted earlier is IMO based on your own personal limitations.
The heroism of a fireman who might lose his life while rescuing others cannot qualify as suicide....nor the decision for a parent to rescue his child from a perilous situation.
I cannot associate suicide with any sense of moral duty no matter what the circumstances are.
Suicide is often an act of despair at the moment for the moment. It is the only exit out of distress. It is a state of mind which can be modified .
There is a great potential for positive interaction between individuals so that not one human being feels that his life is not worth living.
We need to invest into one another. We need to encourage the sense of worth and help others focus on " gee I can make a difference too".
In my job, I deal with people who could consider that they have a moral duty to end their lives. As they watch their loved ones undergoing tremendous sacrifices to care for them. But the sense of " I still can make a difference and touch someone else's life " has taken over the sense of self pity and " I am worthless". Their worth resides in their resilience and how they contribute to my own life as we bond even if communicated only thru our eyes. That interaction between people is extraordinary.

The hand that recieves is as valuable as the hand that gives.

Keith Russell

Greetings:

There is no such thing as a 'crime against society'.

There are only crimes against individuals.

Now, a certain type of crime can be viewed as a threat against a society...

Keith.

Sabine Grant

Hello Keith.... I implied that the crime is perpetuated against a system regulated by legislature set in place by the individuals who form that system.
I view the actions of the two snipers as a crime against society using the right to bear arms to commit crimes against the very people who might have supported that right.
Not trying to contradict you but establishing what I mean. I also consider that any crime affects our society.

idiom

If it is the society/state that gives you nuture and education then perhaps you owe the society/state something in return.

Suicide might be considered stealing from society yes?

Gurdur

Actually, it often was. Suicides were denied burial in consecrated ground, and often communities would bury suicides in unmarked graves at cross-roads.

One of the hardest things for people near to a suicide is to allow and deal with their feelings of anger towards the suicider; that someone should so willfully and painfully remove themselves from them is a great problem for those affected.