Bill Snedden

And another non sequitur. We're getting quite a collection here.

You imply that if I study the Word enough, I will actually come to understand God's "love" and "justice". However, you've already admitted that we can't really understand God's "love" or "justice"...

Do you see how tortured this reasoning is? You want desparately to reconcile God's "love" with our "love" and God's "justice" with our "justice", but you do so inconsistently. You must either admit that both God's "love" and "justice" are not necessarily the same as ours (which position entails moral skepticism) or reject that claim outright and accept the possibility that God is not necessarily loving (as his alleged behavior in the Bible would suggest).

You simply can't have your cake and eat it too...

Regards,

Bill Snedden

AndresDeLaHoz

No one with self-respect could possibly adhere to such filth.

Invader Tak

Oh please. You're trying to witness to the hell-bound heretics here, this statement says as much:

Hmm, you're not going to change your view in a million years.

And by the way...

I don't really care about what the *bible* says (I don't believe any of it).

Historically, it hasn't been a huge leap from "The bible says you're evil" (which is what you are saying) to "Hey, let's toture and burn them heathens." *Despite* the "Judge not lest ye be judged" shpiel.

Tristan Scott

Oh please. Besides being completely off topic, you are also completely off target. If you read your scripture you will find that Satan was an agent of God's and even does his dirty work for him. Read Job.

iversong

What is there to respect?

iversong

I can have my beliefs just as you have yours. Just because you don't agree with me doesn’t make your point or my point more valid. I am just telling you what I believe.

And as far a judgment: If you steel and you are caught, you will be judged by that action by a person; be it a police officer or a judge. That judgment is based on a Law. So the Law is judging you, not the people. If there were not a Law against steeling, you would not be judged. The same with the bible. The words of the bible judge, I am just telling you what it says.

In the end I have nothing to do with anyone’s judgment. The Bible tells me to preach the Gospel, that’s what I am doing. It’s up to you and God after that. I am not told to kill you or call you names or to make fun of you. Just to preach the Gospel.

iversong

God has providence over all creation. Satan does do God's bidding. That doesn't make Satan a good guy, nor does it make God responsible for people who do evil.

God restrains evil. We can see what life is like when God doesn't by reading the book of Revelation. God will let human kind have what it wants in the end. And we can see that it’s not good.

God has a plan for us. That is the best that I can describe it. And only when the plan is fulfilled will we know everything. For now we are to just trust God. It’s a very weak argument unless God makes it real to you. That may sound arrogant or deluded, but I have to stand true to what I believe. And I believe what the Bible says.

Invader Tak

You believe that I, the atheist denizens of this board, and the big chunk of the world's population that is not christian, is evil.

You think that billions of people are evil on based on a book written thousands of years ago that is chock full of genocide, incest, rape, murder and torture?

Dude, you have no valid point.

iversong

I do see what you mean. But it could be that we are all in the first chapter of understanding God's love and that it will only be made know to us once we reach the end of the book. Just because we don’t have a complete understanding of God’s love doesn’t make our limited understanding of Love unreasonable or incompatible with God’s definition of Love. This is a learning process. Through our live, and I am going to suggest afterlife, we will learn completely of God’s Love. However, as it stands now, we have a portion of understanding, but even a portion is still enough for a definition of Love, however limited it may be.

iversong

You may not agree with what I believe in, that's fine. But, what do you base your position on? I base mine on a work of literature that has stood for over 2000 years.