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Old 05-10-2003, 10:18 AM   #21
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Echidna,


Forgive me for I do not know how to use the quote feature as of yet.


You wrote at the beginning of your 2nd paragraph that the "'great majority' do report trauma 'with one of the greatest consequences being e affect which it had to damage their ability of trust within personal relationships."

One only knows of 'trust' as it is TAUGHT by society in general and parents as a whole. We learn to 'trust' parents due to seeing them time and again feeding us, clothe us, change our diapers, etc. We learn, as we are older, to 'trust' society (a bit) due to seeing the laws being enforced and people being punished for crimes determined by said society. What betrayl of trust can there possibly be with a sex act, that for this discussion has been 'perfect'? (perfect as in no harm , force, etc that has arisen from the act itself) Forgive me for being a bit presumptous but it seems you have fallen into the same thought pattern that most do, in your very own explanations you are simply repeating the the 'set patterns' that we are TOLD to follow by society for no apparent ..this is important....SECULAR REASON. There can be no betrayl of trust if , as it is constantly advertised to be', that sex (outside of marriage in any form) is such a wonderful and joyous thing that comes with some consequences . I am not saying this is wrong but it brings us back to the dual position that society displays with relation to sex. (other areas as well, but I will try and stick to this topic only).
I am glad you brought up the Clergy. If ,of course, a 'position' is used to get sex from someone then that in itself is coersion or force in a certain way. I am only discussing an act where there is no such thing. I am discussing mere sex for sex and nothing else being brought to the table in order to obtain that sex. The circumcision and rape are two things forced upon people. The rape, for obvious reasons is unwanted as is the circumcision, however, I have never heard of a male having trauma over his circumcision so why should it be any different for females? I am of course talking about the process being done as an infant, before one can CHOOSE to do it or not.
We must all think back to when people(children) were marrying at 13, 12, and even younger. Barring the medical complications that would possibly arise from a pregnancy so young, it would seem that back then more rights and more responsibilites were given to children. In society today we tend to 'coddle' children too much and then expect them to be responsible for their actions. (forgive me I went off the topic a little there)
One can not use the argument that kids are not thinking about sex at a young age( for clarification we will use ages from 9 and up for at 9 I began my sexual 'explorations', but surely kids are interested earlier due to the barrage of sex, sex, sex everywhere they go.)
I probably could go on and on but I am losing focus and must finish the rice krispies before they get soggy,lol.

Reminder once again... I do not endorse or condone any form of this sexual practice.
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