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Old 02-07-2005, 06:08 AM   #11
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This is bullshit. The whole point of an abortion is that the mother (and possibly father) are not in a situation in which they feel ready to raise a child and therefor it would harm all parties involved to go through with the abortion. Giving birth to a more difficult child to raise wouldn't help this in the least.

Moreover, either a fetus has rights or it does not. The right not to be discriminated against is one of those. This makes no sense, no matter which way you look at it.
Few things Pro-Lifers say about abortion make sense to me anymore. I simply can't understand the double standard that Pro-Lifers show - and then refuse to even acknowledge them as double standards. "Even supposing that fetuses are not children and have no rights, allowing women to have an abortion just because she's going to have a disabled baby is discrimination, and should NOT be allowed." :banghead:

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Old 02-07-2005, 08:27 AM   #12
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That's a very broad category - look at female infanticide in China. Those babies are perceived as being disadvantaged because they're not male - should abortion be tolerated for that "disability"?
Of course- because any reason, including "I feel like it", is acceptable for abortion. We might consider it wrong to abort based on the gender, but one can get an abortion for any reason at all so it doesn't matter. And that's the way we would want it- do we really want a daughter being born to someone who doesn't want a daughter?

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That's a very broad category - look at female infanticide in China. Those babies are perceived as being disadvantaged because they're not male - should abortion be tolerated for that "disability"?
Yes. You can't say on one hand that fetuses are not human beings with rights and then say that it's discrimination if a mother aborts a fetus because she wants a boy instead of a girl.

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Old 02-07-2005, 01:19 PM   #14
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Of course- because any reason, including "I feel like it", is acceptable for abortion. -B
I'm don't know that "I feel like it" is a good enough reason for abortion - but that's getting into a whole other area.

It does seem foolish to try and legislate against abortion for a disabled foetus, while allowing abortions for normal ones. But as I said in a post somewhere above this one - even if this gets beyond draft form, no country is obligated to ratify it.
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I'm don't know that "I feel like it" is a good enough reason for abortion - but that's getting into a whole other area.

According to current law in many places, it is. So *while* it is, this disability clause makes zero sense.
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According to current law in many places, it is. So *while* it is, this disability clause makes zero sense.
For the sake of argument, what about those countries that don't allow abortion according to current law? Should abortion for disability be allowed there? For any disability - or is there a scale, a point in which the law says "this child is too disabled"?

Admittedly I'm wandering off the path of the topic here, but I can't help but wonder where the line is. From a practical sense, I think it should be up to the parents - but if it were me? Hypothetically, if I were pregnant with a baby that tests said was deaf, would I abort? No - probably not. If the baby had Down's Syndrome - I would abort, no question. If the baby were blind - I don't know.

I suppose the cut-off point is what the prospective parent feels they can cope with; but that is different for everybody. Parents who have Down Syndrome children who love them and treasure them might think no DS child should be aborted, for example.
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