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Old 06-05-2003, 11:13 AM   #21
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[B]Here is some more stuff on Roman law. An important work in this field was the Institutes of Gaius, written around 150 CE; much of Justinian's law code, the Corpus Iuris Civilis of the 530's, was derived from it.
Nitpick: the Institutes of Gaius would be called today a "hornbook" - a simplified summary of the law, and Gaius himself was not regarded as a great legal scholar. The much larger part of the Corpus (the Digests) consist of quoted passages from the work of the great Roman lawyers like Papinian, Ulpian etc.

BTW, us European atheists are luckier. No one with any scintilla of legal knowledge would claim that the 10 commandments (and not Roman law) are the source of our current legal systems!

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Old 06-05-2003, 06:07 PM   #22
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Ask the people putting up the 10 Commandments everywhere to include some other important historical documents, like the 5 Pillars of Islam, the legal writings of Confucious, the religious laws of the Hindu Vedas, and the hundreds of other religious law documents whose relationship to the American legal system is tangential at best ("Hey, every one of these says that murder is bad!").

Then, once this circus is assembled on the lawn or wall of a courthouse, people will wonder why they wanted such a religious display in the first place.
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What do you do when a circuit justice is willfully ignorant about history?
Whichever is applicable and easiest: Impeach or recall.

I'd suggest you start with the five Supreme Court justices who ruled in favor of Bush in Bush vs. Gore. They are not only willfully ignorant of history, they're willfully ignorant of their own constitutional and judicial principles.

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Bill O'Reilly debated (yelled) at some guy and actually asked the question, "Exactly what religion are the ten commandments promoting?" This is the kind of thinking that permeates fundy "logic". They totally don't understand why noone would want the ten commandments posted in public view anywhere.
Plus, if memory serves, there are three different sets of "The Ten Commandments" in the Old Testament (aka Hebrew Bible). Which one do we pick? The one that ends with the "Thou shalt not cook a calf in it's mother's milk"? That way, we could effectively make a case that cheeseburgers (not to mention Swiss steak, biscuits and gravy, and Stroganoff) are not only an abomination in the eyes of the Lard, but they'd then be a gross violation of the underpinnings of American legal tradition...ha!

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Old 06-14-2003, 04:26 AM   #25
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There's an article in the library that compares the Ten Commandments of Moses and those of Solon, and asks which set is more applicable to our modern society.
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1. Trust good character more than promises.
2. Do not speak falsely.
3. Do good things.
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
5. Learn to obey before you command.
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
9. Honor the gods.
10. Have regard for your parents.
The Real Ten Commandments, by Richard Carrier
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Here's a question for the fundies--

If the Bill of Rights came from the 10C, than why do they hate the ACLU so much, whose sole purpose is to defend the Bill of Rights?

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Here's another interesting article similar to the one Defiant Heretic posted above:

Commandments 5-11
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Default Thou shalt not own another hunam being? 11th Commandment?

Melkor:

I really enjoyed your spirited discussion about the 10C basis for US law.

Please also consider the 13th ammendment to the US Constitution, which abolished slavery. I'm at a loss to see it in the 10C, and I have read that Jefferson Davis defended the 'peculiar institution' by citing the Christian Bible's lack of opprobrium for slavery.

I wonder about how the Western world would have progressed if Yahweh, or El, or Whoever, would have included an 11th commandment to Moses in the 10C: "Thou shalt not own another human being."

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Or as I read somewhere else (not to be confused with ~~Elsewhere~~ ... actually I think it was in PD), that instead of being Judeo-Xian based, since most of our ideas of government came from the Greeks and Romans that we are more of a Greco-Roman nation!
Where was that, exactly? I can't find it.
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Never mind, I think I may have found it...
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