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Skeeters and bipedalilsm
Having grown up in Minnesota (where, contrary to published reports, the mosquito is not the state bird!), my general hypothesis, uncontaminated by systematically gathered field data or experimental tests of any kind whatsoever, is that bipedalism and hairlessness co-evolved, with the (relative) hairlessness secondary to bipedalism's freeing of the hands to swat skeeters and deer flies.
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Note that the AAT is not only entirely conjectural, but it is also contradicted by a number of simple observations (nose shape and ability to close, circulatory system, etc.). I would regard the "parasite hypothesis" as being much better, but even so I never objected to the AAT being presented. It is, in fact, a good thought experiment, even though hopelessly flawed. As of yet the parasite hypothesis does not seem to be so flawed, though it is nothing more than an interesting idea for the time being. Peez |
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Hairlessness is uncommon among mammals (whales, hippos, rhinos, humans, manatees, elephants, naked mole rats, etc.) and has arisen independently in several different lineages which, having quite different lifestyles, probably evolved hairlessness for different reasons.
In the case of humans, I think it's reasonable to hypothesize that our hairlessness with respect to all other living primates is tied to some characteristic of humans that other primates do not have--but that's a lot of characteristics (although they tend to be cultural rather than biological). Whether that characteristic is fire, clothing, tool use, language, art, sexual selection, a combination of two or more of the above, or something else entirely (like a complete accident), seems to be very much an open question and I don't see how one could possibly test any one of several hypotheses that could be formulated, especially in the absence of any clue as to when humans lost their hair. Heck, maybe humans lost their hair first, and that drove them to harness fire and wear clothes! I find the ectoparasite hypothesis weak for several reasons: it doesn't explain why humans have retained dense hair in several very discrete places (genitals, eyebrows, head, beard) nor why there is a distinct sexually dimorphic pattern to human hair (human males are generally hairier than females, and tend to grow beards). But geez, if we can't speculate, what fun is science? |
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No, it is still missing my point, if I read your post correctly. I'm talking about the selection pressure to be hairless due to parasites, NOT the disadvantages to being hairless that man's culture makes up for. That only that brings up the question of what disadvantages---if any--there are to man's relative hairlessness in his original environment. What concerns me is, if parasitic infection was the driving force behind hairlessness, then the fact we do NOT see more of it in our primate cousins makes me question what is so compelling about the hypothesis in the first place. Bringing in additional factors which favor hairlessness, like man's use of clothing, only weakens the justification for the original hypothesis, in my opinion. KC |
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"The amount of body hair changes rapidly in evolutionary time as seen from comparing mammoths with extant savanah-dwelling and relatively hairless elephants, or domestic pigs and some dog breeds with their closely related and hair wild cousins. Among modern humans there in variation in the degree of body hair, suggesting substantial genetic variance for this trait" This is especially notable as I said in light of the potential costs of hairlessness include skin cancer and greater heat loss of heat in low-ambient-temperature environments. I'd say its a reasonable inference, though far from proven, that hairlessness is confering some net benefit and is selected for. Quote:
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On my next trip to the library I plan on looking for information on ectoparasite-host interactions. I have a few refs I plan on looking at, but if anyone has more recommendations to share, I'd be much obliged, particularly review articles and particularly with a focus on mammals. Hebb et al, 2000. Bird-ectoparasite interactions, nest humidity, and ectoparasite community structure. Ecology 81, 958-968. Hurtrez-Boussès, S., J. Blondel, P. Perret, and F. Renaud. 1997. Relationship between intensity of blowfly infestation and reproductive success in a Corsican population of Blue Tits. p. 267 in Journal of Avian Biology 28, no. 3 Lehman, T., 1993. Ectoparasites: Direct impact on host fitness. Parasitology Today 9(1): 8-13. Mataxas. K.M. and O.J. Pung. 1999. Effect of blood parasites and hematophagous ectoparasites on Eastern bluebird (Sialia sialis) reproductive success. The Oriole. 64: 41-46. Pung, O.J., L. A. Durden, M. J. Patrick, T. Conyers, and L. R. Mitchell. 2000. Ectoparasites and gastrointestinal helminths of southern flying squirrels in southeast Georgia. Journal of Parasitology. 86: 1051-1055. Patrick |
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Hi Patrick,
After reading your post, I still think we are talking past each over a crucial point. So, rather than quote and respond, I'll just summarize what I'm trying to say here. If ectoparasites are enough of a problem to provide strong selection for hairlessness, then I fail to see why such selection would not be seen in man's close relatives as well. I know you pointed out there may be disadvantages to hairlessness in other primates, but I dont recall seeing any compelling evidence presented FOR that proposition, at least on this thread. Without any, what reason do we have to even make the ectoparasite/hairlessness selection connection in the first place, other than the observation that ectoparasites are a bummer? I agree that man's hairlessness needs explanation--especially in the light of the hirsuteness of his closest relatives-- but I think at this stage the ectoparasite explanation is weak, and at the level of the AAT in adaptive explanatory power. However, I'd definitely change my mind if I saw some evidence for disadvantages to non-human primate hairlessness. I'll try and look for some papers on that. Regards, KC |
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So one could view it like this. Anything that reduces the parasitic load is an advantage. Being hairless (as defined ) might do so, by leaving fewer places for the critters to hide on our hide. Note, fewer: it doesn't have to be none, if there are reasons for keeping hair in some places. So the ectoparasite hypothesis does not need to explain why hair is retained in some places, for there are advantages to having hair too. So, why in these other places? Well, eyelashes serve to emphasise our eyes, which are so used on non-verbal communication. Note that the whites of our eyes are visible, whereas a chimp's are not. And at the risk of being supercilious, our eyebrows too are rather important aides-communique (or whatever ). Head? Well there's that big hot thing in those African skies to consider; conversely, it is said by those who'd have us wear hats in the winter that we lose some significant percentage of our body heat through our heads. So head hair is a useful thermoregulator. Armpits and genitals? Well, iirc we produce different sweat from these areas... containing pheromones etc? Sweat-soaked hair acts to maintain the smell rather than it blow away with evaporation: these areas are neat little scent-puffs. To be honest, I'm at a loss as to why armpits particularly, but with genital hair, being where it is, the connection is rather obvious. And beards: they grow rather excessively, unchecked; they are not just a normal bit of mammalian pelt, but will grow positively shaggy. Together with the sex difference (ie women not having them), this looks like sexual selection at work. In short, what I'm suggesting is that if parasites were part of the selection pressure towards hairlessness, then we lost hair from everywhere except those places where it was still of use, where to lose it from became too much of a loss. That we are relatively hairless is all that it might take to have relatively fewer parasites, and so a relatively lower drain on our resources. As an aside, though, it's curious that it is the male hormones that are responsible for secondary sexual characteristics -- such as significantly more hair, and especially beards -- that are also, I gather, linked to hair loss in male pattern baldness. (I know it's not a case of 'testosterone makes hair grow', but it's still odd, don't you think?) Cheers, Oolon |
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This is a very interesting topic. I'm finding it very hard to know what to think.
Obviously, adaptations are a part of evolution somewhere. What I would like to know is this: are there any specifically adaptationist theories that we are fairly confident of? What does the confirming evidence look like in those cases? |
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There was an ARN thread on this awhile ago:
http://www.arn.org/cgi-bin/ubb/ultim...;f=13;t=000540 I think that one important point about the hairlessness issue is that at the moment, we have no particularly strong reasons to consider human hairlessness an adaptation at all. It is a perfect example of something that might have happened for non-selective reasons, or selection for something unrelated. Here is my post from that older thread: Quote:
But keep in mind, it could be that hairlessness has *no* particular function and is a by-product of something else. |
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