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Old 08-09-2005, 11:20 AM   #51
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What business to humans have interrupting the natural selection taking place among other species? Why should we assume that allowing one non-human species to wipe out another is a bad thing? That is, after all, how life got where it is today. Maybe it's wild american ginseng's time to go?
Then, since humans are part of nature, our driving other species to extinction is part of the natural process and possesses no moral value? We interfered with the food chain to create the deer explosion.

Yes, we killed the wolves and cougars and other predators, do we now have an obligation to either kill the deer ourselves or re-introduce the predators? Why would one action be preferred over the other?
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It is not, for example, more humane to shoot a whale that is minding its own business and in perfect health than to let it live. There are no conditions in the ocean currently that require any culling of whales.

The Japanese government, as I type, has forcefully and at great expense put a “scientifc�? argument that requires culling of whales. (And that’s just one example).





My argument also does not call for the killing of every single kangaroo. Only enough that the numbers remaining are sustainable.

I know.

My comment, applies to your comment, nevertheless.

"Sustainable".

You mean - as long as any wildlife - of any kind - in any way - does not cost any businessman (ie, farmer), - anything.


All farmers, want everything - dead.

Unless it's wheat, or sheep.

'Cause, they're "custodians of the Land."



No. I'm not.

We disagree on the logic or your argument.
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Here's the problem: If it causes less suffering to kill the kangaroos quickly (ie, with a rifle) than to let them die naturally, is it wrong in this instance to kill kangaroos? And, if so, does this not undermine the argument for veganism?
Not at all.

We put our pets (dogs, horses, etc.) to sleep as an act of mercy, but that doesn't mean we want to eat them. More to the point, the merciful killing of humans doesn't make it ok to eat them.

You can perform a good deed (mercy killing) without profiting from that deed.

Imagin if Dr. Death (that euthanasia guy) went through his patient's pockets afterwards. That would be wrong, wouldn't it?
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Old 08-15-2005, 06:13 AM   #54
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Vegans tend to justify* their choice along the lines of 'killing animals causes suffering, suffering is wrong, therefore killing animals is wrong'. A valid argument - but are the premises true?
I think there are also other arguments for vegetarianism and vegan-ism. One being that the vegetarian doesn't eat meat because they believe that it is healthier not to (of course they may be wrong about this). Another is that animal products are very inefficient as far as land and resource usage compared to eating non meat products, so in a world with scarce resources it is better not to eat meat. Although this second argument does not impact on your kangaroo eating argument.

I have eaten kangaroo meat but didn't find it very nice. It was too tough and too dry. It ate crocodile which was okay.

There was always speculation that kangaroos are not fit for human consumption because they are prone to some bad types of worms and parasites, and in any case it may be best to ensure that kangaroo meat is well cooked. I don't know if it is true or not. I don't know if the site linked is a bit biased or not.

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