GunnerJ

BUMP. ONCE AGAIN.

I wonder if Ed's afraid to join this discussion?

GunnerJ

It's time...

For another...

BUMP!!!!!!

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Come on, Ed, pull your tail out from between your legs and get in here!

Duvenoy

The first cause of brainwash is brains.

The first cause of rabies is rabid (hehe).

The first cause of bastardy is illegitimate (this is fun).

The first cause of foolishness is fools.

The first cause of creation is Creationists.

(chuckle)

d

Ed

The reason I haven't joined this thread is because it is based on a faulty understanding of my argument for God. I never said that the effect always resembles the cause. What I was utilizing was a law of logic, ie, the Law of Sufficient Cause. And the only sufficient cause of the personal that has ever been observed is persons. So in the case of the personal the effect just happens to resemble the cause but I never said that this is always the case.

lpetrich

Ed, it is good that you have been willing to address this issue, because some of your arguments have a suspicious resemblance to a fallacious Law of Resemblance.

However, one cannot demonstrate from the Law of Sufficient Cause that only "personal" entities can produce other "personal" entities. Nonpersonal entites can produce personal ones without contradicting that law.

One needs an additional premise to demonstrate that: that no nonpersonal entity can ever produce a personal entity. However, Ed, you have not succeeded in demonstrating that. And furthermore, you have waved away some serious countervidence -- growth from a single cell that is produced by the fusion of two other cells. Or do you maintain that there is some additional "personality stuff" that gets transmitted along with those cells?

GunnerJ

Well, Ed finally staggers in here after his brutal beating on other threads with more dishonesty as his weapon of choice.

Bullshit. Are you forgetting your little "diversity within a unity" argument? You know, "The Universe is a DinU, and so is the Xian god, and therefore he created the Universe?" Or do you just have a selective memory; you know, you "forget" things which are embarrasing and problematic to you? Actually, I'm pretty sure it's the latter; this "selective memory" is one of the many symptoms of cognitive dissonence, a disease of the mind you seem to have.

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Oolon Colluphid

Ah, there you are Ed. Since you seem to have overlooked it, perhaps you could pop by the <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000811" target="_blank">"Created Kinds" and Taxonomy</a> thread. As you're a wildlife biologist, I'm keen to hear your input.

Thanks, Oolon

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Dark Jedi

Not if it's mostly vacuum....

Synaesthesia

Ed,
Humans as persons do not intentionally cause persons. That is left up to our *physical* reproductive aparatus. We may be aware of the consequences of sex, but that playes an entierly incidental role in the development of a new person.