lunachick

Thanks, BH.

Yes, please, Volker. I actually have a soft spot for astrology, and studied it to some degree for a few years in my early 20's. I just kinda like that sort of thing.

But, for the sake of the folks here - I understand that if you really wanted to, through reviewing my chart - you could find something that really was me. I bet you could pinpoint a time - time being the operative word here - when something life altering has happened to me. It shouldn't be too hard - I've led a rather eventful life, and had some major shit happen here and there.

I'll give you an example: I immigrated to a land far from my birthplace at the age of 5. - That is quite specific, I think, and may help convince people here of any 'scientific' merit in astrology.

Should you accept that small challenge, then I wish you luck. I will be completely honest in answering true or false.

Volker.Doormann

Originally posted by Jesse Thank you Jesse. I will try to find Ed. LOL. Why should I trust any person here, that the person is integer and honest? Why should a person agree on some deep lacks of his character if be stated? You read about that what bias people have, what disbelieve. Your suggested experiment lacks exact on this.

In an experiment running this time in Germany a similar experiment setup is made, but prior to the vote the persons were tested about serious consequence (honest) answers. Until now AFAIK there is a significant number of correct matches (Mr. Edgar Wunder, prior chief editor in the German Skeptik magazine, drives this experiment).

There was an evidence perceived from a woman in the OP of this thread. That's the point of interest. Not the skeptic to all evident perceptions has any meaning in science, it is the unbiased view on that, what is. And fantasies about some believes are not part of any science. Skeptics must learn and accept, that there are more than physical forces in nature, which are not to shown by proof, but by cognition. Truth in music, truth in speech, truth in communion with people and truth in the own work on science. No one can give here proofs to others.

I think the main problem in this all is that people would more determine (world, other people, cars, woman's, country, nation, future, end of lifetime, opinions, etc.) than to perceive (truth, that, what is, nature, world, woman's, etc.). And because of this people in general have problems with truth. Truth is not to match with the own biased position, from education, or cool signs of age, and absolutly not with a black hole position: 'Show me, but you will get back nothing than further skeptical questions as long as i live'. Truth is to be true.

Thank you.

Volker

Volker.Doormann

Please read my post to Jesse.

echidna

IIRC Volker is more enthusiastic about predicting things retrospectively. Strangely enough I find that less impressive.

Jesse

Volker.Doorman
LOL. Why should I trust any person here, that the person is integer and honest? Why should a person agree on some deep lacks of his character if be stated? You read about that what bias people have, what disbelieve. Your suggested experiment lacks exact on this.

Even though the experiment might be worthless to you if you don't trust anyone here, it would be interesting to those of us who know in our hearts we are honest and believe we have fairly good insight into our own character. If you have a computer program to help you, I assume it's not too difficult to come up with profiles, so what's the harm in obliging us? You were willing to do it for lunachick, even though you have no guarantees she's being honest about her character either.

echidna

BTW Volker, suggest you get yourself a copy of ...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...7861?vi=glance

You could particularly benefit from the "Be Good At It" part. At least the friends of mine who have interests in Cold Reading are honest enough to admit what it is and are not so disingenuous as to pretend it's anything else.

Volker.Doormann

Lunachick,

I have given some specific interpreting to you from your chart. You could have replied on that honest, but you have not, - and you have not said that those interpreting were wrong. Sorry, but that is not precise in the range of 1%.
No, thank you. I do not accept that small challenge. I give you a complete interpreting of your chart. It is in German language and it is readable on doormann.org/lc1.txt for the next 48 hours.

I think it is senseless to play games on this. I have no intension to prove something to anyone. I know that you have a big load as fate and maybe my text is helpful to you.

Best

Volker

lunachick

Volker,

I'm sorry if you feel insulted by me. It wasn't my intention to insult you.

Actually, I had to digest a little of what you said about my chart. Yes, it rang true. BH deconstructed it, and that also rang true. So confusing.

Anyway, thank you for interpreting my chart. I will lookout for it on your site, and find a translator to help me understand it.

Thanks,
Petra


Oh, it's there already! Thank you.

Volker.Doormann

Thats a personal opinion without any meaning, but no proof. Lunachick has demonstrated, that she does hide facts: "I've led a rather eventful life, and had some major shit happen here and there." No clear 'Yes' or 'No' were to read, that has broken the hide, which is related to that what I have cited from her chart.

Stop this arrogant investigations, if you have nothing but your biased mind and no knowlegde why you was born here, and were you come from. If people perceive a help for their fate and live from astrology interpretation, you can ignore this, or can give better explanations to each individual fate without any ethical and/or psychical contradictions. I assume you cannot.

Volker.Doormann

Hi Petra,
hope you find a translator. I had assumed, that you have learned German language from your parents, and that you could read it.

Thank you, that you show an agree in some interpretations.

I do not work as professional astrologer; I have developed the software for scientific research in astrology. But feel free to mail me for specific questions. I have taken a time of 12:00 CET for your chart, but it would changed some important interpretation, if the correct time was for example 11:30 CET. Did you have the correct birth time from the file in Bad Aibling? You can call for this by phone the relevant office is => 'Standesamt'. (p.e. Mars would change then from house 12 to house 1, and some more planets {Sun, Saturn, Neptun} would do change also to other houses).

Last, but not least. I think you are a greatful person, with a lot of forces and integrity, and I would like to give my respect and my acknowledge to you.

Best

Volker