God Fearing Atheist

The black arrest rate for all drug offenses is four times the arrest
rate for whites, according to Jon Gettman of NORML.

God Fearing Atheist

But I need *international* statistics, specifically from European countries or others with mixed white/black populations.

Gringo

God Fearing Atheist,

This website might interest you. It's the United Kingdom's 1997-2000 statistics on crime and race. They have a lot of informative tables there as well.

Cretinist

Gould's The Mismeasure of Man might also interest you, God Fearing Atheist. It's a book about the history of scientific racism and The Bell Curve.

God Fearing Atheist

Gould isnt taken very seriously by anyone these days, including biologists (let alone psychologists).

Thats another thread though, and one that currently exists in S&S called "Race and Rushton". See it for various critiques of MOM.

-GFA

Loren Pechtel

1) To a fair degree I think they are both caused by a third factor: Namely not looking to the future. Intelligence (the lack thereof) is certainly part of it but by no means the whole thing.

2) Note that I said "poverty", not merely being poor. People who are poor tend to work their way out of it and aren't unduly criminal. Poverty, on the other hand, is far more an attitude than a state of being. Give a poor person $100k and you won't have a poor person anymore. Give a person in poverty the same $100k and pretty soon they will be back where they were.


Where are you getting those IQ numbers?!

Loren Pechtel

I still don't see why people make a big deal out of this. Of course there are far more black on white crimes than white on black!

Lets take a made-up society:

1,000,000 people. 90% white, 10% black. There are 10,000 criminals, half of which are black (remember, there are a lot more blacks in poverty). Each criminal hits one random target. What happens?

The 5,000 black criminals hit 5,000 targets, 4,500 of which are white and 500 black. The 5,000 white criminals likewise hit 4,500 whites and 500 blacks. We have a 9:1 ratio of black on white vs white on black crimes without any racism involved.

Loren Pechtel

No surprise. The arrest rate for drugs is very dependant on the income level of the people in the business.

At the higher end you deal only with people you know (or at least are referred to) and in private. This is hard for the cops to target. On the other hand, at the cheap end you have street dealers. These are easy to sting.

The cops want to look good by making arrests. Who are they going to target? The street dealers, of course!

Grad Student Humanist

Where is this coming from? I seriously doubt that the average IQ of a black person in this country is 83.

God Fearing Atheist

Sorry, that should have read one point *above*.

African-Americans consistantly average around one standard deviation (15 IQ points) below the European average of 100. See Murray and Herrstein (1994), Jensen (1985, 1993), Lynn (1991, 1994, 1996), Pederson et al. (1992), Sarich (1995), Snyderman and Herrstein (1983), Weinberg et al. (1992), Yerkes (1921), etc. For a summary of the evidence by the American Psychological Association, see the Neisser et al. The press release can be found here: http://www.apa.org/releases/intell.html

Africans lacking the Afro-American admixture of about 1/4 average out alot lower; about two standard deviations below the European average (or an IQ of about 70). See Zindi (1994), Lynn (1991, 1994, 1996), Owen (1992), and Rushton (2002).

-GFA