Debbie T

Are you a pedophile? I know your bible doesn't speak out against pedophilia, even <i>appears</i> to promote it with young girls taken in battle to keep for their own. But if you can't see why pedophilia is wrong, I believe something is wrong with you.

As a victim of sexual abuse as a child I find your remarks disgusting and degrading.

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GeoTheo

Rick,
Problem: being of a particular race does not involve any particular choice or behavior(though you seem to imply you thinks blacks tend to steal)
I am not convinced of the following:
1.Homosexuality is not open to choice.
2. sex always equates with love or vice versa
3. Refraining from homosexual activity necessarily cuts one off from expressing romantic love.

GeoTheo

Debbie,
I certianly didn't mean to degrade or offend you. I do not believe in pedophilia and am not a pedophile. I too have been touched by this tragedy, having a sister as well as a wife who have suffered in this way. I also have faced sexual harrassment by people who had power over me. Though I do not believe I have sufferd to the degree as a child who has been molested. Does this mean no one should ever have frank discussions involving these issues? I think not.
I was merely illustrating examples of sexual behavior I find immoral based on my belief in the Bible and seeing how people with no such Bible based moral code arrive at their beliefs on sexual morality. No offense intended.

GeoTheo

Princess of Peace.
If I were Tim Vick I would be very thankful to that person.
So tell me if you were Tim Vick and you were rescued by a bigot like me how would you feel?
Can a person with a religious belief that homosexuality is a sin be a good neighbor?

scigirl

GeoTheo,

Thank you for your post (the one that kept the insults to me at a minimum).

From your post, however, I still feel that you are using a few experiences and saying that all gay men are like that.

Imagine if I did the following:
"When I was in college, guys would sometimes whistle at me and say 'hey baby nice tits.' All men therefore must be like that." Is that a bigoted statement?

You also stated,
Why do we care about the beliefs of Christians, who make up a large percentage of our culture?
Because very few people can separate their beliefs from their actions. Geo, you stated this earlier in the thread:
So if you were a judge - would you marry these people (keeping in mind it is your job?) If you were a doctor, would you allow the married lover to make decisions about their partner's health? If you were a CEO of a company, would you recogize that marriage and allow the gay partners to have health insurance, and other benefits? If you worked for the IRS, would you allow the couple to file as "married" and recieve tax breaks?

That's why I care Geo - because your beliefs are not in a vacuum, they are in the real world, where beliefs and actions matter.

scigirl

Talulah

I could chose to be solely with men, but I can't chose for them to satisfy me the way women do. Why should I chose to remain unfullfilled.

Did you think I was talking about sex when I said that? I wasn't.

Sex does not always equate love.
Love does not always equate love.
You are the one saying it is wrong for a homosexual to have sex with the person he/she loves, not us.

<strong> You said yourself that you became convinced that premarital sex was wrong when you became a Christian and you refrained from it until you got married.

How did you express romantic love before you were married. Why did you get married? Were you completely satisfied not being able to have that form of love?

scigirl

Well that's an excellent question, why don't you answer it. See the questions I posed to you in the previous post - if you were a judge, doctor, IRS agent, etc, etc, would you be willing to put your religious differences aside and uphold a marriage, even if you disagreed? If not, why not?

scigirl

Dr Rick

Are you implying that racial bigotry would be okay if skin color was a choice?! Is it just fine to hate Muslims because they choose to worship Allah?

This whole 'homosexuality and choice' issue is a strawman made to mask one's prejudice; I wouldn't hate gays even if it was well-evidenced that they choose their sexuality, and bigots would continue to hate them even if homosexuality was discovered to be genetically determined.

Religious intolerance justifies bigotry under a shroud of moral indignation and so promotes it.

Rick

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Talulah

If you know people who have dealt with this and understand them at all, I would think that you would realize the pain that you cause to those of us who have dealt with this when you compare homosexuality to pedophilia in any context whatsoever. I can probably speak for a good many people when I say that I don't give a rat's ass why you do it, it is stupid and cruel.

Talulah

Knew I shouldn't have hit that refresh button while the page was loading

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