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Old 04-22-2003, 11:16 AM   #61
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What I'm getting at is that any idiot can believe the truth because he's indoctrinated into it. That, IMO, wouldn't be a Christian worthy of the name. Solzhenitsyn didn't become a believer in Christian ideals because he was indoctrinated into them, obvoiusly, but because, having seen the horror of Stalinism "up close and personal", it was like spring water to a man dying of thirst.
I think I agree with you. Compared to being imprisoned in a gulag work camp, starved and beaten, christianity looks a little bit appealing.
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I Also if you just like to debate, realize that you may improve your skills but you won't win any.
I guess that counts for atheists who like replying to Christian posts, too.

Christians are welcome! Whether they want to be converted to the non-belief or not.

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I'm a pretty adamant defender of the Judaeo-Christian ethic
Adding 'humanistic' to this ethic, I agree with you fully. As an atheist I acknowledge that my culture and set of morals (Dutch, western European) have been shaped by these philosophical movements. Empirically we could say that they now keep Western society what it is, and therefore I will be an advocate for this set of morals, as long as it enhances social coherence and the survival of traditions.
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I think I agree with you. Compared to being imprisoned in a gulag work camp, starved and beaten, christianity looks a little bit appealing.
I dare you to read The Gulag Archipelago and continue ascribing such shallowness of motivation to this man.
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I dare you to read The Gulag Archipelago and continue ascribing such shallowness of motivation to this man.
ROFL !

Care to explain to us about the author's open antisemitism ?
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ROFL !

Care to explain to us about the author's open antisemitism ?
Truth to tell, I only read one volume of the three. What anti-semitism?
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Truth to tell, I only read one volume of the three. What anti-semitism?
ROFLMAO !
The antisemitism he has often professed in real life, that's what !


Maybe you should know a bit more about someone before you start pontificating about them.
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I would just like to say that I have been posting here since '99 off and on and I have never seen one atheist get saved. I have however seen several Christians become atheists. I have also seen many Christians modify their views and adopt more liberal theology. Some people may think that is a good thing. I think perhaps it can be but in some cases it isn't. I say that because if you start modifying what you believe too much you may end up with somthing that is not Christianity. I also think that if you stop believing in Hell, you must ask yourself what justification do you have for believing in Heaven?
You may make some friends here, and you may get compliments. Don't learn to need that. It will destroy you if you let it. There is nothing romantic about living your life according to the Bible. It means you aren't imaginitive enough to find your own truth. As you know Christianity is about admitting that you are a failure in Life and that you need God. You need to count everything you have done in your own strength as a loss. If you try to keep your life you will lose it and if you lose your life for Christ you will gain it.
This is not a "sexy" concept to people in the world. There is no way to get people to like this idea. It must come from the Holy Spirit. So I ask you:
Make sure God really wants you here. Don't think you will convert any body. People don't come here to hear the gospel and most know all they want to know about Christianity. Also if you just like to debate, realize that you may improve your skills but you won't win any.
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Good bye, I don't feel God is calling me to post here any longer. I feel that I have gotten right with God and realized that I had a lot of pride.
Can you imagine an atheist going on a Christian board to warn his fellow infidels away?

Can you picture me going on CF and saying "I've been here for a few years, and I must warn all you other infidels, if you keep coming to this board, there's a distinct danger that you will be converted to Christianity"?

Just a personal observation about the tenuous grasp many Christians appear to have upon their belief system.

If your beliefs are indeed "the Truth," what danger is there in being with people who disagree with you?
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ROFLMAO !
The antisemitism he has often professed in real life, that's what !


Maybe you should know a bit more about someone before you start pontificating about them.
OK, googling on solzhenitsyn + anti-semitic gives about 900 results. I looked at 7 or 8, most of which, predictably, didn't address the question. Here's the only one that did:

http://www.jewishsf.com/bk010831/ip29a.shtml

But the controversial author takes a position on the czarist-era pogroms at odds with most historians. Solzhenitsyn, 83, blames the pogroms on a grass-roots movement, exculpating the Russian state from any responsibility in the anti-Jewish attacks.

He also blames the "liberal intelligentsia" -- often a code word for Jews -- for exaggerating the extent of the pogroms.

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"Solzhenitsyn is not an anti-Semite. He remains a banner of my generation, for Jews and non-Jews," said Mark Kajdan, a Jewish researcher with the Russian Academy of Sciences.


So what we have here, evidently, is a bunch of jewish intellectuals crying racism because they were criticized - and a Jew who says he isn't anti-semitic.

Your move, wiseguy.
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