GeoTheo

OK here's the Guy that wrote that book I was talking about. I hope know one thought I was full of crap. Three earned doctorates and published 70 times in scientific journals, also a three star NATO general no less. <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/people/wilder-smith-ae.html" target="_blank">http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/people/wilder-smith-ae.html</a>
I will try to find some info on the book I read and how he was rejected by journals when he tried to investigate creation.

Valentine Pontifex

I don't see relevance of his expertise to the question of evolution.

How about someone with a doctorate in biology, who is a professional biological researcher who publishes original biological research in peer-reviewed journals (as the first, second, or corresponding author), and who is not dead?

GeoTheo

The question was who are some great creationist scientist in THE LAST 50 Years. Since this guy died in '95, has 3 earned doctorates, with one in biochemistry (I hope you are aware that biochemists, along with biologists study evolution) and 70 articles published in peer reviewed scientific journals, I think he counts.

RufusAtticus

Actually, biochemists usually don't study evolution. Especially, one's who built their carrers a few decades ago. Suprisingly, the same can be true of biologists. But for the life of me I don't see how.

Valentine Pontifex

His doctorates are physical organic chemistry (1941) and two in pharmacology (one being in 1964). This is not a very relevant background for having knowledge about evolution. I would really doubt that he had any formal education in evolutionary biology beyond the introductory science courses.

The first degree has pretty much nothing to do with biology and why a medical field does deal with biology, I don't think it is accurate to call those degrees biochemistry degrees. And even if they were, this was a very long time ago. At the time he got those degrees biochemistry was had little to do with evolution for the very fact that biochemistry was still at the stage of trying to find in the most crude ways how DNA, proteins, etc. worked. Until biochemists actually knew, in outline at least, how all those things worked and knew how they varied from one type of organism to the next they really could not do anything with evolution.

Also many biochemists, especially ones from previous decades, have been trained more with the methods of physical science which are usually not useful in biology. Physical scientists usually are not trained to think in terms of populations and in terms of variablity which are fundamental in biology. They tend to be more deterministic in there thinking. Also in physical science, an electron is an electron the same as any other. This kind of essentialism breaks down in biology since organism vary. This a reason why I requested biologists though there certainly chemists who use evolution in their work.

And I really don't think that having a scientist that is still breathing is an unreasonable request. Many thousands of people fit the description that I gave.

Dr Rick

I earned my baccalaureate degree in Biochem without being taught evolution.

Rick

DireStraits

GeoTheo: OK here's the Guy that wrote that book I was talking about. I hope know one thought I was full of crap. Three earned doctorates and published 70 times in scientific journals, also a three star NATO general no less.

DireStraits: I'll say it again:

I'm looking for a scientific discovery that has been made using CREATION SCIENCE. (Emphasis added with a typo corrected)

<a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/people/wilder-smith-ae.html" target="_blank">http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/people/wilder-smith-ae.html</a>
I will try to find some info on the book I read and how he was rejected by journals when he tried to investigate creation.

DireStraits: So at this point you do not have a single scientific discovery made over the past fifty years that was made by using creation "science". Is that correct?

DireStraits

I earned my baccalaureate degree in Biochem without being taught evolution.

DireStraits: Well, of course. Biochemistry, being a branch of the study of the behavior of electrons, needs not to involve itself with evolution, though much evidence for evolution does indeed some from bio.

The thing that is being brought into high relief is that creationists, who generally are not credentialled, or even well-informed laymen, think that anything even remotely associated with biology indicates that the holder of a degree in that subject automatically makes that person an authority on evolution.

Duane Gish has made a career out of riding on the back of that erroneous perception after all...

lpetrich

One interesting exercise is to track down the published papers of creationists who claim professional credentials. This can be done with the help of some abstract-archive service like PubMed; for Duane Gish, for example, there is someone with that name who had coauthored some papers on some arcane biochemical subject back in the mid-1970's -- one that did not have much connection with evolution.

GeoTheo

I guess this is kind of humorous in a way. I started posting on this thread when I was still willing to believe in literal 6 day creation and now I'm an evolutionist and I find the link I was looking for afterwards. I guess I just can't stand to loose an arguement. I kind of miss taking on all you evolutionists! Oh, well. There will be plenty of debates ahead with my uninformed brethren. Like last night when I told a friend at my church that the ICR type books he let me borrow
converted me to evolution because all the arguements could be refuted with science.