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Badfish · 07-20-2002, 10:13 AM

Well if we are talking subtle evolution, and as above someone mentioned Adam and Eve, evolving into what we have today, I suppose thats possible.

It would be interesting to see how many evolutionist really believe we evolved from one celled organisms and how many believe in created or partial evolution.

Obviously creationists would have to believe in macro evolution right? Or partial evolution?

Since we use 10% of our brain, our minds wouldn't have to evolve, we have the capability for unbelievable things, as we open our minds and learn to THINK on a higher plane, our minds and our knowledge will evolve.
People are using more and more of their brains capability everyday, science is helping with this step.

And... possibly God, since God said towards the
end times there would be increased knowledge. **ducks** booooo hisssss

WinAce · 07-20-2002, 10:26 AM

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Since we use 10% of our brain,

You are gonna get laughed at now... For that, I'm truly sorry.

Dr Rick · 07-20-2002, 10:36 AM

The <a href="http://www.urbanlegends.com/science/10_percent_of_brain.html" target="_blank">10 % brain myth</a>

caritas · 07-20-2002, 01:26 PM

Theo,
Back to your original question to Christian evolutionists; your perception that rather than this position making the person NOT a real Christian but, instead, NOT a real evolutionist. I think you said that a theistic evolutionary Christian would need to believe God guided evolution despite the fact that guidance, as you understand, is not part of the evolutionary model.
Where I agree with you is that it wouldn't make sence for a person to call himself a Christian if he didn't believe that God guides us in SOME ways.
Every Christian I know, from most liberal to most conservative, sees God as ACTIVE.
But I see no need to believe that God was actively guiding the evolution of life. I am not saying I know God didn't guide--indeed, many theistic evos do believe in this idea of God broadly guiding evolution. But I think that guidance, if any, was minimal. Yes, there is diversity even among theistic evos. God's guidance, I believe, is in the presence of the Holy Spirit in our lives.

RMSweet

caritas · 07-20-2002, 01:48 PM

Theo,
You further ask,
"Wouldn't (the theistic evo) have to believe Man is a goal somehow?"
I believe God NEEDS to communicate with some form of us--a sentient (sp?) species. This species in order to be made in the image of God need not be quadripedal (but bipedally ambulatory) with pentadactyl hands and feet. This species need not have evolved a brain exactly like ours. Nor need it have even evolved on this planet. God just NEEDED some lifeform on one of the likely thousands?/millions? of habitable planets to evolve sentience.
RMSweet

Badfish · 07-20-2002, 05:07 PM

Ok, so we may use 20%, 10% is an average, I have heard lower and higher, but the fact is the normal population does not use, nor does it know how to use the remaining 80 or 90%, normal people do not use anywhere near half their brain.

Ought Naught · 07-20-2002, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by GTX:
Ok, so we may use 20%, 10% is an average, I have heard lower and higher, but the fact is the normal population does not use, nor does it know how to use the remaining 80 or 90%, normal people do not use anywhere near half their brain.

Ummmm...

<a href="http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html" target="_blank">Neuroscience for kids</a>

[edited to add]
"We use all of our brain."

[ July 20, 2002: Message edited by: Ought Naught ]

Theophage · 07-20-2002, 06:57 PM

"We use all of our brain."

Much of it, apparently, to repeat popular but scientifically groundless memes :^)

Dr Rick · 07-21-2002, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GTX:
Ok, so we may use 20%, 10% is an average, I have heard lower and higher, but the fact is the normal population does not use, nor does it know how to use the remaining 80 or 90%, normal people do not use anywhere near half their brain.

No, GTX, you're repeating another myth. There is no good published scientific or medical study that suggests "normal people do not use anywhere near half their brain."

So far, all you have done is make an unsubstantiated assertion; what evidence is there to support it?

Rick

WinAce · 07-21-2002, 08:06 AM

The only thing that allows this urban legend to continue is the fact that our brain is extraordinarily complex and possesses numerous diverse functions, some of which aren't entirely obvious at first glance.

On deeper examination, however, you see that destroying even small parts of it can have very adverse effects on cognitive functions, such as speech, reading, or face recognition.

In short, if you don't use most parts of your brain, I'll happily take those off your hands

[ July 21, 2002: Message edited by: WinAce ]

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07-20-2002, 10:13 AM	#51
Badfish Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Death Valley, CA Posts: 1,738	Well if we are talking subtle evolution, and as above someone mentioned Adam and Eve, evolving into what we have today, I suppose thats possible. It would be interesting to see how many evolutionist really believe we evolved from one celled organisms and how many believe in created or partial evolution. Obviously creationists would have to believe in macro evolution right? Or partial evolution? Since we use 10% of our brain, our minds wouldn't have to evolve, we have the capability for unbelievable things, as we open our minds and learn to THINK on a higher plane, our minds and our knowledge will evolve. People are using more and more of their brains capability everyday, science is helping with this step. And... possibly God, since God said towards the end times there would be increased knowledge. ducks booooo hisssss

07-20-2002, 10:36 AM	#53
Dr Rick Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: USA Posts: 5,393	The <a href="http://www.urbanlegends.com/science/10_percent_of_brain.html" target="_blank">10 % brain myth</a>

07-20-2002, 01:26 PM	#54
caritas Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tacoma, Wa Posts: 43	Theo, Back to your original question to Christian evolutionists; your perception that rather than this position making the person NOT a real Christian but, instead, NOT a real evolutionist. I think you said that a theistic evolutionary Christian would need to believe God guided evolution despite the fact that guidance, as you understand, is not part of the evolutionary model. Where I agree with you is that it wouldn't make sence for a person to call himself a Christian if he didn't believe that God guides us in SOME ways. Every Christian I know, from most liberal to most conservative, sees God as ACTIVE. But I see no need to believe that God was actively guiding the evolution of life. I am not saying I know God didn't guide--indeed, many theistic evos do believe in this idea of God broadly guiding evolution. But I think that guidance, if any, was minimal. Yes, there is diversity even among theistic evos. God's guidance, I believe, is in the presence of the Holy Spirit in our lives. RMSweet

07-20-2002, 01:48 PM	#55
caritas Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tacoma, Wa Posts: 43	Theo, You further ask, "Wouldn't (the theistic evo) have to believe Man is a goal somehow?" I believe God NEEDS to communicate with some form of us--a sentient (sp?) species. This species in order to be made in the image of God need not be quadripedal (but bipedally ambulatory) with pentadactyl hands and feet. This species need not have evolved a brain exactly like ours. Nor need it have even evolved on this planet. God just NEEDED some lifeform on one of the likely thousands?/millions? of habitable planets to evolve sentience. RMSweet

07-20-2002, 05:07 PM	#56
Badfish Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Death Valley, CA Posts: 1,738	Ok, so we may use 20%, 10% is an average, I have heard lower and higher, but the fact is the normal population does not use, nor does it know how to use the remaining 80 or 90%, normal people do not use anywhere near half their brain.

07-20-2002, 06:57 PM	#58
Theophage Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Posts: 966	"We use all of our brain." Much of it, apparently, to repeat popular but scientifically groundless memes :^)

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