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MrDarwin · 05-17-2002, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by RJS:
I believe I have answered by stating that I do not know.

Fair enough, sorry if I missed your answer earlier.

RJS · 05-17-2002, 12:09 PM

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When someone gets terminal cancer or a horrible disease like Ebola, it's hardly comparable to a vaccination

we agree on this. that is why i said it was analagous, not comparable. lets drop it.

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Do you consider God to be omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent? If so, how do you justify this belief in the light of 1) suffering during life and 2) punishment after death?

this discussion will clearly end up focusing on the piece of the puzzle that I cannot answer. sorry.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this whole thread will die soon out of mutual frustration.

Sci_Fidelity · 05-17-2002, 12:53 PM

Posted by RJS

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we agree on this. that is why i said it was analagous, not comparable. lets drop it.

Sorry, you don't get away that easily. The two are synonyms- analogous, comparable, equivalent, etc.

MrDarwin · 05-17-2002, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by RJS:


this discussion will clearly end up focusing on the piece of the puzzle that I cannot answer. sorry.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this whole thread will die soon out of mutual frustration.

But perhaps you have a better idea of why some people find the entire Christian concept of God unbelievable in the first place? For many of us, it is simply too irrational, illogical, internally inconsistent, and self-contradictory (omniscience vs. free will, benevolence vs. eternal suffering).

You made a comment earlier about stumbling blocks. Are these stumbling blocks created by man, or by God? Either way, think about this, even if you can't answer it: why would a benevolent God place (or allow) stumbling blocks on the path to salvation?

RJS · 05-17-2002, 01:05 PM

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Sorry, you don't get away that easily. The two are synonyms- analogous, comparable, equivalent, etc

wow I even think I could get the support of the other atheists on this one.

analogy - similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar

hardly suggests they are comparable and certainly not equivalent.

now can we stop?

Sci_Fidelity · 05-17-2002, 01:08 PM

Look it up in any thesaurus.

Mageth · 05-17-2002, 01:27 PM

In some uses "comparable" and "analogous" may be synonymous:

<a href="http://www.wordsmyth.net/cgi-bin/search.cgi?matchid=1412&matchtarget=3&returnFields =SYN,DEF,INF,SIC,SYC,EXA,CRF,PRO,SYL,DER,SIM" target="_blank">Wordsmyth - analogous</a>

But I'll agree with RJS (

) that they may have different connotations, and thus are not necessarily equivalent.

Sci_Fidelity · 05-17-2002, 01:32 PM

A synonym is a synonym - it isn't a synonym sometimes and not others. Period. But, who really gives a flying f?

Jeremy Pallant · 05-17-2002, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth:
Do you consider God to be omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent? If so, how do you justify this belief in the light of 1) suffering during life and 2) punishment after death?

At the risk of putting words into RJS' mouth, I'd say from his responses so far that his answers to these questions would be:

Yes

Suffering is good for the soul

You ask to be punished when you wilfully reject god.

Sci_Fidelity · 05-17-2002, 03:36 PM

309 posts and that's all we get? Another one bites the dust......

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05-17-2002, 01:08 PM	#306
Sci_Fidelity Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 595	Look it up in any thesaurus.

05-17-2002, 01:27 PM	#307
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	In some uses "comparable" and "analogous" may be synonymous: <a href="http://www.wordsmyth.net/cgi-bin/search.cgi?matchid=1412&matchtarget=3&returnFields =SYN,DEF,INF,SIC,SYC,EXA,CRF,PRO,SYL,DER,SIM" target="_blank">Wordsmyth - analogous</a> But I'll agree with RJS ( ) that they may have different connotations, and thus are not necessarily equivalent.

05-17-2002, 01:32 PM	#308
Sci_Fidelity Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 595	A synonym is a synonym - it isn't a synonym sometimes and not others. Period. But, who really gives a flying f?

05-17-2002, 03:36 PM	#310
Sci_Fidelity Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 595	309 posts and that's all we get? Another one bites the dust......

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