xian

well i wont be responding to that post. it really wasn't about Baloo's Test or in response to my comments about it. More of a rant against God. Read it a thousand times.

keyser_soze

It's a rant because I call into question the irony that you would denounce servitude, but you preach that very thing? How is that a rant. I thought it was a rather mellow response considering some of my retorts. Can I get a vote on this, or are you going to stick with that line of BS? I merely called into question the very thing you propose, and the one you propose to follow with it. Is that wound painful?

xian

i wont respond to this either. you have an axe to grind. i wont voluntarily take part. in the same manner, i do not think baloo would voluntarily take part in being grinded...even if his 32 digits are matched.

Bumble Bee Tuna

xian-

Observed neutrally, the Bible appears to depict God as a tyrant not worthy of worship. But it also claims that he is nothing of the sort. Thus Baloo is not close-minded. If someone's number passed the test, Baloo would try extremely hard to look at the Bible from a perspective that it was right. He would try very hard to dismiss skeptical thoughts. Assuming Baloo is truly capable of the cognitive dossonance theists are so fond of, then he would eventually change his mind about God's tyrant status. Or at least that's what I got out of reading Baloo's description of what he would do if someone passed his test.

-B

xian

well i'm not sure i know what you mean by cognitive dossonance....perhaps you meant dissonance?

regardless, consider this:


whether or not God is revealed to Baloo will not change his rational abilities, nor will it change the Biblical texts.

If baloo has concluded that God is a cruel master a priori to a revelation through his test, I claim that the test will do nothing to change this.

If Baloo already concludes, based upon the Bible, that God is cruel, then what would a "revelation" do? It would logically do nothing to change that view. Even after a successful revelation, Baloo will still have those same logical conclusions. Reason remains both before and after an epiphonal match of 32 numbers. And the slave argument, as I pointed out, is not adequate enough to fufill the promises of Baloo's Test. The only way his test can be genuine is for Baloo to conclude before hand that God is not a cruel master, and is genuinely a God worthy of, and desirable for servitude.

keyser_soze

Again...Might this not be his damascus? Do you consider him beyond god's infinite reach? <sarcasm>

xian

i just consider his test faulty. Based upon the merits of his test, if God exists, I see it far more unlikely that his test would be fufilled than it would if his test was genuine.

If baloo was serious about giving God a chance, he would maximize his test to be as credible as possible. just my opinion.

keyser_soze

You mean set it up so that almost any "sign" would be acceptable. Much like the ancient greeks saw signs from god whenever a frog croaked too early in the evening or an owl flew during the day before a battle. I think his criteria was selected to weed out such things. How easy a test does it need for god to be able to pass it? After all, he did create the known universe, right?

xian

no that is not what I mean. before you put words in my mouth and start spouting about your cute little IPU, READ what I said. I said how he could make his test more credible and obviously you chose not to read it, and instead opted to put words in my mouth and spout off more of your jibbering god ranting.

keyser_soze

Can you say spout one more time, it's just so....SEXY. Oh yeah baby, just like that.

But back to the question. You said He says the door is open, he gives a set parameter that if met, would give him incentive to believe. Are you saying, for the last time, that god is incapable of giving him the answer if he wants too? Because I seem to recall the holy roller himself giving proof to another doubter. You know, going so far as to create a prophecy about a young woman giving birth and all. Hell, compared to bending humanity to such a complex set of circumstances within a given time frame, then he can come up with 32 freaking numbers.