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Old 05-03-2003, 08:17 PM   #31
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As for NZ, we were the first country to give women the vote.
I know that South Australia, then a seperate country, gave women the vote in 1896.

When did NZ give women the vote ?
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Damn.

I castigate myself.
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Damn.

I castigate myself.
Will that be a physical castigating? And can I watch?

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I'm just disturbed as to why alot of my guy friends don't get it, and don't understand that there's now a potential danger in any dealing with my father unless he happens to undergo some serious therapy. They don't understand the whole family domination kind of setting. As a matter of fact, the guys I've spoken to just don't understand the problem at all.

What I'm not saying is that ALL men are like this. This board is good evidence of men and women who manage to be sensitive to the problems of both genders. What I'm trying to understand is why so many of the guys I know don't understand what seems to feel like a distinctly female problem. Partially, this may be because I have an incorrect poluation sampling. I doubt any of the guys close to me have ever really had to deal with a true abuse situation, so they don't know what to do about it. (Sorry, I don't quite count myself. Dad didn't lose his temper often enough for me to worry about going around with bruises as a child.) It may also be that many of the guys I know are spineless men, who don't like to deal with confrontations, and therefore ignore the problem because they don't want to raise a fuss. Or maybe the guys I happen to be friends with are secretly jerks, because I haven't outgrown my bad habits and behaviours which I learned at home. I don't know which one it is yet.

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a couple of people here have mentioned the word "alone" when you move out of your family home. Is it not normal for people to share accommodation?
Eh, it might be cheaper for me to get a roommate. It depends on where and what kind of apartment I manage to get. In truth, I would prefer to live by myself for a little while, just so I know what that's like. I've spent my entire life learning to live around my family. It'd be nice just living by myself. We'll see when the rose colored glasses come off.

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though the numbers are generally lower than reality due to the fact that many women don't report instances of abuse [LianaLi is an example of this, as she has not called the police]
I actually did call the police. My rather vindictive state of mind wanted to press charges as soon as I could get to my friend's house, where a nice, safe phone out of my dad's earshot waited for me to use it. I wound up filing a report, but chose not to press charges.

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Aren't we getting away from the actual topic ?

LianaLi is asking for advice and feedback; and I think exaggerating the pic won't help.

There's a huge difference between "treating women [slightly] differently than men" and actual physical, sexual, emotional or verbal abuse.

I find Pyrrho's view to be too exaggerated in that respect; it seems to me the notion of "abuse" is being bagatellised here in the interest of demonization.
While in some cultures "most" men might be abusers of some kind, I very much doubt that that can be said as a human universal.
Treating women "differently than men" is emotional abuse. It is treating them as though they were not fully human. If you were not treated as a real human being, what would you call it?
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I'm just disturbed as to why alot of my guy friends don't get it, and don't understand that there's now a potential danger in any dealing with my father unless he happens to undergo some serious therapy. They don't understand the whole family domination kind of setting. As a matter of fact, the guys I've spoken to just don't understand the problem at all.

What I'm not saying is that ALL men are like this. This board is good evidence of men and women who manage to be sensitive to the problems of both genders. What I'm trying to understand is why so many of the guys I know don't understand what seems to feel like a distinctly female problem. Partially, this may be because I have an incorrect poluation sampling. I doubt any of the guys close to me have ever really had to deal with a true abuse situation, so they don't know what to do about it. (Sorry, I don't quite count myself. Dad didn't lose his temper often enough for me to worry about going around with bruises as a child.) It may also be that many of the guys I know are spineless men, who don't like to deal with confrontations, and therefore ignore the problem because they don't want to raise a fuss. Or maybe the guys I happen to be friends with are secretly jerks, because I haven't outgrown my bad habits and behaviours which I learned at home. I don't know which one it is yet.



Eh, it might be cheaper for me to get a roommate. It depends on where and what kind of apartment I manage to get. In truth, I would prefer to live by myself for a little while, just so I know what that's like. I've spent my entire life learning to live around my family. It'd be nice just living by myself. We'll see when the rose colored glasses come off.



I actually did call the police. My rather vindictive state of mind wanted to press charges as soon as I could get to my friend's house, where a nice, safe phone out of my dad's earshot waited for me to use it. I wound up filing a report, but chose not to press charges.

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It is disturbing that many men don't see why you are concerned about dealing with someone who has been physically violent toward you. You are certainly far from being alone in feeling that way.

I don't think you should view calling the police as necessarily being "vindictive" (though you must judge your state of mind for yourself, obviously). When people report others to the police, this sometimes has a positive effect on their future actions, as most people wish to avoid jail. So one may report people to the police for reasons other than being "vindictive".

I hope that all goes well for you.
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