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mark9950 · 08-04-2003, 06:10 PM

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even more proof that armageddon is nigh.....

Armegeddon was supposed to happen 2002 years ago.

River · 08-04-2003, 06:19 PM

:banghead: :banghead:

Doctor X · 08-04-2003, 09:10 PM

Mark:

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I know if he was not a white european they would call me a blasphemer and probably have a death sentence put over my head for blasphemy.Like salmon rushdie. . . .

Rushie received the death sentence because he was born a Muslim--though the real reason is because he savages Khomenei in his book.

However, the possibility of an anonymous poster "playing along" with you does not persuade me. Show me some literature.

River:

Actually, he is correct, the date varies depending on whether you believe Mt or Lk for the birthday.

--J.D.

mark9950 · 08-04-2003, 11:25 PM

Ask yourself on the board,I believe that they could show you some proof or disproof.

Rushie received the death sentence because he was born a Muslim--though the real reason is because he savages Khomenei in his book.

Show me some proof of this.

Doctor X · 08-04-2003, 11:45 PM

Since none was given there and none is given now here, I will take that as no evidence for the claim unless demonstrated otherwise.

Regarding Rushie, his status of having been born Muslim is well known--and is part of the novel--and the attack on Khomenei is in the novel.

--J.D.

River · 08-05-2003, 06:34 AM

Well, I don't doubt that armageddon "began" 2000 years ago. However, I don't believe it has climaxed or that it is over. " Armageddon" , the word is derived from a specific location in Israel.

The conclusion to armageddon ( and not Apocalypse, which is centuries later) will occur During the Final Battle where Isa Masih (pbuh) slays Dajjal Masih( Dark Messiah) near the Gate of the Ludd/Hudd , 10 miles distance from Tel Eviv.

Doctor X · 08-05-2003, 09:37 AM

Unfortunately, the eschaton was predicted to happen far earlier.

Must be the traffic near Meggido . . . delays things. . . .

--J.D.

anti-X · 08-06-2003, 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by River
This is probably one of the most bizarre claims about the Prophet . I have once heard something similar...that the Prophet was Iranian.....but theres no evidence for this.

I've read this arguement before about whether Muhammad was really illiterate. The "answer" is that he was illiterate "because" that is in the Qur'an, and the Muslims have graded hadith in which everything about Muhammad was recorded...stories, skills,...even when he looked for smooth stones before answering the call of nature. If he could read or write, it would then be listed.

anti-X · 08-06-2003, 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by Secular Pinoy
Citations, please. Who are these scholars and historians, their methods, the whole nine yards?

Just look up "hadith" + "science", or better, "hadith science" written together and you'll get your answer. Christians have nothing like this so it is a little unfathomable at first.

08-04-2003, 11:25 PM	#44
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Well than Ask yourself on the board,I believe that they could show you some proof or disproof. Rushie received the death sentence because he was born a Muslim--though the real reason is because he savages Khomenei in his book. Show me some proof of this.

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08-04-2003, 06:19 PM	#42
River Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NY Posts: 3,680	:banghead: :banghead:

08-04-2003, 11:45 PM	#45
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Since none was given there and none is given now here, I will take that as no evidence for the claim unless demonstrated otherwise. Regarding Rushie, his status of having been born Muslim is well known--and is part of the novel--and the attack on Khomenei is in the novel. --J.D.

08-05-2003, 06:34 AM	#46
River Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NY Posts: 3,680	Well, I don't doubt that armageddon "began" 2000 years ago. However, I don't believe it has climaxed or that it is over. " Armageddon" , the word is derived from a specific location in Israel. The conclusion to armageddon ( and not Apocalypse, which is centuries later) will occur During the Final Battle where Isa Masih (pbuh) slays Dajjal Masih( Dark Messiah) near the Gate of the Ludd/Hudd , 10 miles distance from Tel Eviv.

08-05-2003, 09:37 AM	#47
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Unfortunately, the eschaton was predicted to happen far earlier. Must be the traffic near Meggido . . . delays things. . . . --J.D.

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