Jinto

Now the thesis is true.

Kimpatsu

I think that with his latest outburst, DK has crossed the line from uneducated rant into trolling. Does anyone else agree?

Nowhere357

Would we recognize a Stone Deaf Loopy Troglodyte with a Ferrous Cranus throwing a Grenade, if it bit us on the, well, ass?

Gurdur

27 pages, 8932 views.

Sheeeesh !

keyser_soze

You want fun, go read the "is god evil" thread at hardforum. That thing is probably in the 50k reads by now, if not more. Last time I saw it, it was at nearly 3000 replies, and is probably at 4k now.

Dr. Retard

I just want to say that site is funny.

RevDahlia

Good lawd, is it ever... these guys are so right-on... which one are YOU? hee hee hee....

dk

dk: Allow me to review some unpopular but empirical facts with you Dahlia.
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First…
Ninety-four percent of all completed rapes, 91 percent of all attempted rapes, and 89 percent of all completed and attempted sexual assaults between 1992 and 2000 were against female victims aged 12 or older. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/ncvrw/2...calSection.pdf

Second…

1. 29% of all forcible rapes occurred when the victim was less than eleven years old.
2. 32% occurred when the victim was between the ages of eleven and seventeen.
3. 22% occurred between the ages of eighteen and twenty-four.
4. 7% occurred between the ages of twenty-five and twenty-nine.
5. 6% occurred when the victim was older than twenty-nine years old. .
   ----- ibid

Women rarely become child molesters or rapists. For whatever reason sexual assault is a male crime independent of sexual orientation.

Third…
an estimated one-fourth to one-third of women are sexually victimized as children.10 11 12 The current estimates for men are lower, around 10 per cent.(13)”.
----- p 14 ; Sexual Victimization; The Impact of Personal Experience; Child Sexual Abuse: Intervention and Treatment Issues

Fourth…
I don’t think you follow the direction of my argument. Females and children compose an overwhelming majority of sex crimes committed by men. The rebound effect (the abused becomes the abuser) popularized by “folk psychology” and sex crime advocates… therefore projects females as the most probable sexual abusers. The empirical evidence strongly disagrees with the hypothesis. Now here’s the kicker…

[quote]Characteristics of offenses against children


I'd like to apply the empirical criminal facts to the Gay Rights Movement, to see if we can separate the chaff from the substance. In 1974 the APA (American Psychological Association) mustered all of its scientific authority (a vote by trustees) to delist homosexuality as a mental disorder. After deregulating homosexuality the APA (mysteriously) continued to classify pedophilia as a disorder, i.e. acting upon one’s sexual urge toward a child (pre-pubescent). Pedophilia violates the principle of “normalcy” the APA conferred upon sexual orientation on two counts…

1. it defines sexual orientation as deviant
2. only men are afflicted by pedophilia.

While the Gay Rights Movement publicly touts pedophilia as a heterosexual deviancy, pedophilia undermines the scientific authority of the APA therefore threatens normalcy of the Gay Rights Movement. The question puts a pox on both… How can pedophilia being in, of and for itself quintessentially a sexual orientation, be classified as a mental illness when homosexuality and other fetishes are not? Even a minimum of scientific skepticism defrocks the supposition. The APA stripped of scientific pretense lists pedophilia as deviant by a moral judgment, not scientific observation. Once more its equally clear from the criminal data that men (not women) have a unique pre-disposition for sexual abuse that has nothing to do with sexual orientation. The charade is exposed.

RevDahlia: dk, i think you're conflating two separate issues. The gay rights movement has traditionally used pretty explicit imagery, tis true, I can understand how that could make you -- and a lot of people-- uncomfortable. But what has that to do with anal sex with children?
dk: I’m not confusing anything, merely exposing a charade.

RevDahlia: Can you find me one published statement by a mainstream gay rights group which advocates anal sex with children? Just one? If the movement as a whole cheerfully advocates as much, this should be easy.
dk: Sure, but you’re asking the WRONG question. Harry Hay a founder of American Gay Rights Movement, died 2002… “He also marched in the 1986 Los Angeles gay parade wearing a shirt emblazoned with the words "NAMBLA walks with me." (STUART TIMMONS, THE TROUBLE WITH HARRY HAY: FOUNDER OF THE MODERN GAY MOVEMENT (1990); Peter LaBarbera, Do Gays Discriminate on the Basis of Sexual Orientation, LAMBDA REP., Dec.-Jan. 1993-94, at 9.) In 2000 John Hemstreet, a convicted child molester, is a more typical example. A former Boy Scout leader and President of the Toledo, Ohio chapter of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG). PFLAG lead the suit against the Boy Scouts. Male homosexuals aren’t stupid, they are gay, so they distance themselves from NAMBLA with a “quilt of deniability” because they want government money. see below…
dk: Is your stepfather an advocate for anal sex?

RevDahlia: Straight couples have anal sex all the time. It is becoming increasingly popular, even among (gasp) married couples. Should straight couples who practice anal sex not be permitted to have children, or access to other people's children? How do you propose to enforce this? Kindly answer my question, please, and don't dodge it with another absolutist statement.
dk: I said a proponent, not a compulsive. I have no idea what’s become popular, and really don’t care. I don’t want proponents of anal sex to have access to children. Do you teach your children the joys of anal sex?
dk: Its bad form to answer a question with a question, and you answered my question with 2 questions.

RevDahlia: You make a huge assumption here. By "intimate access" you are referring to gay marriage and adoption, and you also are referring to molestation.
For the last time: where did you get the idea that all, or even most, or even a significant number, of gay people molest kids?
Also for the last time: how is this any different from straight people molesting kids?
dk: I don’t assume anything, parents have intimate access to their children. For the last time, men molest children, rape women and other men. This isn’t an issue of sexual orientation. From the boy or teenager’s perspective when a man molests them it’s a homosexual experience. Get it!!!!…

RevDahlia: I won't even get into the fact that placing porn theaters on the same level as stautory rape is laughable on the face of it. I won't even bother digging up any articles about heterosexual skin-flick proprietors fighting to keep their smut shacks open.
You keep making these assertions about the alleged misdeeds of the Gay Rights Momvement as a whole; I challenge you to come up with ANYTHING ANY mainstream gay rights group has published or stated which condones child molestation.
dk: Lambda Legal honey, get it!!!.

RevDahlia: NAMBLA does not count, as it's been an embarrasment to the mainstream gay rights movement for years and has a tiny membership.
dk: I’ll grant you its an embarrassment, and I’ll grant you the Gay Rights Movement covers itself with a quilt of deniability. NAMBLA was certainly an embarrassment to IGLA (an NGO to the UN), and Congress, when NAMBLA was found to be member. IGLA let NAMBLA go when Congress threatened to cut their funding.
dk: Interesting comment. Sounds like you believe Gays can cure boys of their bear drinking culture. That’s awfully NAMBLA of you.

RevDahlia

You missed my point entirely. I was pointing out the ludicrousness of making generalizations about an entire segment of the population based on the actions of a few, as you have been doing for twenty-five-odd pages now.

I never said that homosexuals having contact with children had anything to do with it. I was pointing out that men do dreadful things, and by your logic, men should therefore not have access to children.

Right. Keep 'em all away from kids.

Pedophilia is specifically harmful to the victim and, to a much lesser extent, harmful to the perpetrator. It is compulsive criminal behavior. Homosexual behavior is not de facto harmful when practiced safely by consenting adults, any more so than heterosexual behavior is. The original assumption which led to homosexuality's being classified as a mental illness was not informed by the fact that it is a deviation from the norm. Homosexuality was assumed to be an aspect or symptom of psychosis. But gay people aren't crazy. Pedophiles are. They compulsively victimize the helpless. If that isn't insanity, nothing is.

Perhaps you'd like to define the difference between practice and advocacy. I have never heard a gay rights activist tell the public that they should practice anal sex. I have heard gay rights activists defend the right of consenting adults to do whatever they want in their own bedrooms. This is a right that straight people already have. If government began stomping on straights for practicing anal sex in the privacy of their own boudoirs, you can bet you'd hear some "advocacy" from the heterosexual community.

Bad move, Harry Hay. Icky, icky, no me gusta. But may one really assume that the entire movement concurs?

This man is a member of a group. He turns out to be a criminal. Therefore the group is criminal.
The next registered Democrat who commits murder therefore calls into question the morality of the entire Democratic party. Of course!
This is not the first time that a pedophile has used membership in a legitimate group to draw attention away from his criminal behavior. I hope you're not implying that this means that PFLAG endorses molestation.
Curious: was he convicted of child molestation before or after he became a member of PFLAG?

I don't have kids, but when I do, I plan to tell them that their sex lives are their business provided they are old enough to cope and prepared to act responsibly.

I read over your post several times and didn't draw the connection. has this to do with the molester Boy Scout leader, or the Hay guy? Please clarify.

dk

ooops doubel post sorry