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David Mathews · 07-26-2002, 07:32 AM

Hello Everyone,

Atheists are under no obligation to love anyone, nor do they have any command forbidding them from hating anyone.

Therefore, atheists may express their bigotry and prejudice in an unrestrained manner, exposing the depths of their obscene mind.

You atheists don't even restrict yourselves. You tolerate all sorts of hateful words on Internet Infidels as if such behavior is normal. The reason for that is because this behavior is normal among atheists.

And then you demand that Christians behave like Christians among you. Christians must come here meet and gentle so that you may abuse and attack them. You atheists are more hypocritical than any religious people ... you really expect Christians to behave in a manner in which you would never behave.

Love,

David Mathews

bonduca · 07-26-2002, 07:34 AM

"The atheists consider you a fellow atheist."

I do not consider her an atheist. I have asked you previously to produce proof of this statement.

Please do so.

David Mathews · 07-26-2002, 07:45 AM

Hellobonduca,

Quote:

"The atheists consider you a fellow atheist."

I do not consider her an atheist. I have asked you previously to produce proof of this statement.

Please do so.

Here is the proof that you requested:

Quote:

I'd say that Helen is an agnostic-theist with respect to the christian god. Such a thing is possible.

I tend to classify people in four categories based on two axes -- (1) atheist vs theist, and (2) agnostic vs gnostic. (Gnostic, for these purposes, simply indicates certainty of belief, whether due to reason or faith.) The first axis pertains to belief, and the second to certainty. The four categories would be gnostic-theist, agnostic-theist, agnostic-atheist (weak atheist), and gnostic-atheist (strong atheist).

Eudaimonist wrote this and you can read it for yourself here:

<a href="http://iidb.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=47&t=000746&p=4" target="_blank">Religion & HelenSL Thread: Page 4</a>

Love,

David Mathews

bonduca · 07-26-2002, 07:45 AM

David that is one person, and he does not state that he considers her an actual atheist. Are you basing the opinion of the entire board on this one poster, and what bearing does it have on Helen's actual faith?

Not to mention, who are you to constantly cricitcize and harrass Helen, given your previous complaints that Christians do not stick up for one another on this board? You have repeatedly bullied and belittled nearly every person you interact with here, Christian and atheist alike.

It is not Helen who needs to change her approach to become more Christian, it is you. You have all the love and kindness of an enraged Doberman, and the sanctimonious self-righteous cruelty of a Grand Inquisitor.

Put away your rack and thumbscrews and get help.

[ July 26, 2002: Message edited by: bonduca ]

Eudaimonist · 07-26-2002, 07:50 AM

Huh?

David, perhaps you should try thinking about what I wrote. An "agnostic-theist" is a theist, not an atheist. I don't consider Helen an atheist.

Princess of Peace · 07-26-2002, 07:52 AM

Atheists are under no obligation to hate anyone, nor do they have any command forbidding them from loving anyone.

Therefore, atheists may express their logic, wit, and humor in an unrestrained manner, exposing the depths of their human minds.

Atheists don't restrict each other, but we sure do restrict ourselves. Why, some of us have even quit smoking or cut back on junk food! We've even restrained ourselves from anger at the person cutting us off on the freeway. We tolerate all sorts of hateful words against us in the workplace or on television, as if being insulted in real life is normal behavior from those surrounding us. The reason for this is that such insultful behavior is normal among North American humans, whatever their religious persuasion.

And then, atheists demand that Christians, who claim to be loving, actually are loving when they are among us. Christians who come here claiming they are meek and gentle, but turn out not to be as meek and gentle as they claim to be are attacked, to show them the absurdities of their claims. Atheists are not hypocritical. Atheists claim Christians are, because they are the ones who claim to be loving, and then prove that they are not. Atheists make no such claims. We only claim to be human, like you.

Eudaimonist · 07-26-2002, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David Mathews:
You tolerate all sorts of hateful words on Internet Infidels as if such behavior is normal.

Hateful words? What words do you mean? Do you mean profanity?

bonduca · 07-26-2002, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eudaimonist:


Hateful words? What words do you mean? Do you mean profanity?

I think he means that you don't insult and manipulate people and sign it "love," as he does.

David Mathews · 07-26-2002, 07:58 AM

Hello Eudaimonist,

Quote:

Huh?

David, perhaps you should try thinking about what I wrote. An "agnostic-theist" is a theist, not an atheist. I don't consider Helen an atheist.

Perhaps so ... but I consider Helen an atheist in all practical respects, though perhaps she is a Theist and a Christian in some mystical, inexplicable sense comprehensible only to herself.

Love,

David Mathews

Eudaimonist · 07-26-2002, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bonduca:
I think he means that you don't insult and manipulate people and sign it "love," as he does.

We don't tolerate trolling from anyone, including David, tis true. We have the moral high ground.

07-26-2002, 07:45 AM	#24
bonduca Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: . Posts: 1,653	David that is one person, and he does not state that he considers her an actual atheist. Are you basing the opinion of the entire board on this one poster, and what bearing does it have on Helen's actual faith? Not to mention, who are you to constantly cricitcize and harrass Helen, given your previous complaints that Christians do not stick up for one another on this board? You have repeatedly bullied and belittled nearly every person you interact with here, Christian and atheist alike. It is not Helen who needs to change her approach to become more Christian, it is you. You have all the love and kindness of an enraged Doberman, and the sanctimonious self-righteous cruelty of a Grand Inquisitor. Put away your rack and thumbscrews and get help. [ July 26, 2002: Message edited by: bonduca ]</p>

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07-26-2002, 07:32 AM	#21
David Mathews Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 622	Hello Everyone, Atheists are under no obligation to love anyone, nor do they have any command forbidding them from hating anyone. Therefore, atheists may express their bigotry and prejudice in an unrestrained manner, exposing the depths of their obscene mind. You atheists don't even restrict yourselves. You tolerate all sorts of hateful words on Internet Infidels as if such behavior is normal. The reason for that is because this behavior is normal among atheists. And then you demand that Christians behave like Christians among you. Christians must come here meet and gentle so that you may abuse and attack them. You atheists are more hypocritical than any religious people ... you really expect Christians to behave in a manner in which you would never behave. Love, David Mathews

07-26-2002, 07:34 AM	#22
bonduca Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: . Posts: 1,653	"The atheists consider you a fellow atheist." I do not consider her an atheist. I have asked you previously to produce proof of this statement. Please do so.

07-26-2002, 07:50 AM	#25
Eudaimonist Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Sundsvall, Sweden Posts: 3,159	Huh? David, perhaps you should try thinking about what I wrote. An "agnostic-theist" is a theist, not an atheist. I don't consider Helen an atheist.

07-26-2002, 07:52 AM	#26
Princess of Peace Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 109	Atheists are under no obligation to hate anyone, nor do they have any command forbidding them from loving anyone. Therefore, atheists may express their logic, wit, and humor in an unrestrained manner, exposing the depths of their human minds. Atheists don't restrict each other, but we sure do restrict ourselves. Why, some of us have even quit smoking or cut back on junk food! We've even restrained ourselves from anger at the person cutting us off on the freeway. We tolerate all sorts of hateful words against us in the workplace or on television, as if being insulted in real life is normal behavior from those surrounding us. The reason for this is that such insultful behavior is normal among North American humans, whatever their religious persuasion. And then, atheists demand that Christians, who claim to be loving, actually are loving when they are among us. Christians who come here claiming they are meek and gentle, but turn out not to be as meek and gentle as they claim to be are attacked, to show them the absurdities of their claims. Atheists are not hypocritical. Atheists claim Christians are, because they are the ones who claim to be loving, and then prove that they are not. Atheists make no such claims. We only claim to be human, like you.

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