Rhea

I must be misreading your OP then.

Q: You said his example tempts you. You did not mention a single other christian. You said that based on his example, Christianity must have something going for it.

A: We countered, based on other christians examples, apparently it doesn't.

You haven't addressed our point, I don't think, and I haven't seen you discussing consideration of any other christian. This is a discussion. YOU presented the facts for discussion. You presented your case. It doesn't include any christian except richard.

I guess I'm just confused now. Maybe a new Opening Post is in order.

Shadowy Man

I have no problem with them giving credit to Christ as long as they don't say that Christ exists anywhere but in their heads.

Whispers

I did present the facts. That is a fact. I did not mention a single other Christian influencing me. That is a fact.

What is most clearly not a fact, is that I am ignoring "millions of others". Is that a fact? Despite not mentioning other instances when I have or have not been influenced, this does not mean that the instance under discussion is the only one.. Does it? Huge assumptions...

Rhea

Well, one could look ast it that way.

Leaving the audience with a choice between two assumptions.

A1: Assume that information not provided doesn't exist.
A2: Assume anything you want about what wasn't provided creating a convoluted and torturous detangling of what was actually said versus what I assume you might have said if you had finished you sentence.

Given the number of people responding, we could each assume something completely different and you could spend your entire day correcting us. Perhaps that would be fun.

OR.
We could take your statement:
--> This example makes me think Christianity might be true

and we could rebut with

--> Using your method we can consider this other example and come to a complete polar opposite conclusion. Hence, your assertion of causality is not a good one as stated.


Which is what we did.

If you'd like people to invent your position for you, then I'll leave that to others and withdraw from the conversation. That seems rather too nebulous for my tastes.


although that seems like a very accepted way to read the bible, from what I understand

Bumble Bee Tuna

You said that his example made you think Christianity must have something going for it. If you looked at the millions of others I was talking about, you would see Christianity is not the cause of Richard's greatness, because Christianity does not do the same to those millions. You did not see this, therefore it is evident that you did in fact ignore those millions of other examples. We even went further by specifically bringing counterexamples to the table, which you seemed to ignore entirely.

*insult deleted-AV*


No, we're not at all the same, here. You're saying I should have assumed reasoning you didn't give. It's like you're telling me that despite your post boiled down to "A Christian I know leads a great life, therefore now I'm thinking Christianity is true" I should assume you actually had a divine revelation while smoking crack and that's why you're leaning towards Christianity. You made it very clear what you were thinking. It would be entirely irrational for me to assume you had other reasons for leaning towards Christianity than what you actually said.

-B

HelenM

Hi Whispers,

Welcome to IIDB

If you feel drawn to what Richard believes then maybe God is drawing you.

Even if no-one else on this thread thinks so

Helen

Starboy

If that is so then what could possibly posses him to come to an atheist board to confirm this?

Starboy

BioBeing

Whispers - you have certainly led us to believe that this guy's example is the only one driving you decision. You even, in responce to my earlier question, said

BioBeing

I am truly glad that you found something to help you through hard times. But does that make Christianity true? Does that mean that no other religious or moral system could possibly have worked for you?

HelenM

A desire to gain information he (or she) can use to help him (or her) decide whether he (or she) is in fact being drawn by God, or not?

Helen