Darth Dane

Consciousness and energy are still brain and nervous system, though.

Thats my point, they don't know if conciousness is physical or not.
But it is connected as you allude to.

Although, admittedly, the bit more that is energy is the physical body converting fuel.

Yes, the power of transformation, amazing isn't it?



DD - Love Spliff

lunachick

Yes, it is amazing. But it doesn't need a god. For example, I've always believed that when I die, my body will become food and compost, in it's decay. It's there, through natural chemical and biological processes that I will be transformed. I won't be in heaven or hell - I won't get a next life - what is me will cease to be - the transformation is just energy being utilised by nature in it's typically efficient way. There is no god needed for this.

Ronin

Watch me while I won't.


Not a chance.

The word 'God' is meaningless and superfluous until you or someone equally vague and assertive assign it some characteristics...then I, or someone equally rational and skeptical can dissect it for the nonsense that it is.


I happen to be thoroughly pleased with the electrons pulsing through my brain and suggest you make better use of yours.

I await your evidence.


No.

No...I find that it is just easier to say 'I' rather than 'Brain' everytime Ronin Brain writes a response to Darth Brain.

So you say.

One that only you assert, you may notice.

Quite a bold assertion, I might add...everything you say, are you sure?!

...still no gods laying about...you see any?

The zen version you might want to check out rings better with your pantheist heavy ideology ~ "Love thy neighbor as you would love yourself, for you are your neighbor".

Feel free to hang on to that one, I won't be needing it...I know how to be good and to love and to help when I can.

Again, no gods necessary.

Darth Dane

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We don't know that, but we each believe as we do, agreed?
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Not a chance.

The word 'God' is meaningless and superfluous until you or someone equally vague and assertive assign it some characteristics...then I, or someone equally rational and skeptical can dissect it for the nonsense that it is.

So if I believe God Is, that is in and of itself not enough for me?!

I say: God is
You ask: What Is God
I say God Is.
You say: God is not.

We each believe, neither of us can come with a conclusive evidence to confirm or affirm God's existance. Agreed?


I happen to be thoroughly pleased with the electrons pulsing through my brain and suggest you make better use of yours.

Oh, but I am, you feed me many wonderful secrets of Life


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Others support this theory, I disagree of course we are that and a bit more.
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I await your evidence.

Come with conclusive evidence that conciousness is only physical. I say that it is more than just physical, but I can't prove it to you, and I see science can't prove the other either.


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"You" don't experience anything, the brain experiences, see the difference?
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No...I find that it is just easier to say 'I' rather than 'Brain' everytime Ronin Brain writes a response to Darth Brain.

You find it easier, so you agree with me? We are just two biological robots, running through our individual programming, and for sake of practicality, I call you Ronin and you call me Darth Dane.


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Then you are the universe, you experience the entire universe, and then you say you are that experience?! Quite bold assertion, I might add.
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One that only you assert, you may notice.

How else shall I understand this sentence:

DD: Are you your experience?
Ronin: Yes.

Please explain then what you mean, when you say you are your experience, yet you say you are not the rock which is your experience when you look at it. I'm confuddled


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LOL, and you are your experience of the entire universe, which supports my idea of everything happening in the Mind.
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Quite a bold assertion, I might add...everything you say, are you sure?!

Yes, pretty sure

...still no gods laying about...you see any?

Yes, I see them everyday, well at least according to the bible.


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You also experience other people, and so you must be the other people you meet. "Love thy neighbor as you would Love yourself" ?
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The zen version you might want to check out rings better with your pantheist heavy ideology ~ "Love thy neighbor as you would love yourself, for you are your neighbor".

Nice one...

Feel free to hang on to that one, I won't be needing it...I know how to be good and to love and to help when I can.

Yes, I agree, we don't need any "God" from the outside to tell us how to behave, we are quite capable doing this ourselves.

Again, no gods necessary.

Never said they were.





DD - Love Spliff

Ronin

Don't worry, DD...I get that particular query quite a bit.

You can believe a can of spam is a God and that It created the universe.

I simply examine your claims, which are not unique by any stretch, find them lacking...and refute them.

Again, I disagree.

To say God is...is utterly meaningless.

The universe is...and observable at that...what would calling it God add to the equation?

Well, you should see the lunch special.


Reality is that which doesn't go away when you don't believe in it or when you claim to find no evidence of it despite plain view, Darth Dane.

You are the one making the alternate assertion, so the burden is on you to provide proof.

I still await.

Very cool biological robots in flux I will add...if that makes you feel better.

What is this bias you have against robots, anyhow?

That I am my experience.

Because the rock is its own existence at a certain point in time/space that Ronin Brain percieves...panta pei, in perpetual change.

I suggest a further examination of rocks.

...still no gods laying about...you see any?

Ah...I see the problem now...you are still adding superfluous fanciful imagery and symbolism as a template over reality.

Reality is far superior than fairies and addlebrained fables.

Don't ever say I never give ya nuthin'.

I won't tell anyone you admitted that.

Which is why I've spent so much time with you.