Autonemesis

I find it a little weird, maybe even unrealistic, to admit on the one hand that you can imagine scenarios where an adult having sex with a minor would be no cause for concern, even beneficial, and yet protest or act bewildered on the other hand when people ask you if you've ever acted on these fantasies.

I wonder if you could imagine a scenario where an adult not having consensual sex with a minor, despite the minor's apparent enthusiasm for it, would be even more beneficial than going ahead and doing so?

Imagine also that the parents appear to consent by allowing the minor to keep company with the adult, even expressing confidence in the adult concerning the welfare of the minor. Can you imagine a scenario like this where it is still a more beneficial choice to decline to have sex with the minor?

yguy

Just for the record, I was raised by a left-leaning mom who held Christianity in casual contempt. I never laid eyes on a Bible until I was 18. And I've been in a church maybe 10 times in my life.

yguy

And what precisely is the difference between such an instance which is abuse or molestation and one which is not?

Daleth

Oh, goody, yguy saying what I was going to say. Folks, this concurrence should not be taken to mean that I believe homosexuality is immoral or that men have natural authority over women (and so on). I would have phrased it differently though. (whew!)

In what sort of case might sexual contact between an adult and a child not be molestation or abuse? T'would be fair to note that by sexual contact I mean contact with a sexual motivation, which would rule something like a child unknowingly touching an adult in a sexual way and the adult stopping it.

Fr.Andrew

(Fr Andrew): I don't have "these fantasies"--I made up the story on demand.

(Fr Andrew): Of course.

(Fr Andrew): Of course.

Fr.Andrew

(Fr Andrew): When there's no intent on the part of the adult to abuse or molest the child and the child doesn't experience abuse or molestation.

Fr.Andrew

(Fr Andrew): I'm sorry I missed this, too. You're absolutely right. Someone else, long ago (maybe it was you), made the observation that such freedom may lead to sexual bullying. I think that's a valid concern.
I don't mean unrestricted sexual curiosity in the sense that a bunch of five-year-olds (or whatever) are tossed into a room to do as they please. They should be monitored to see that their curiosity doesn't become self-destructive or abusive toward others.

Ronin

aka "never".

Child ~ a young person especially between infancy and youth.

Children do not have the same capacity to make organized and formative decisions as adults, therefore, any sexual contact with the adult is a violation of the child's personal liberty and is nonconsensual.

The sexual act committed by the adult on the child is a molestation and entirely abusive.

Ronin

Please clarify specifically what you consider 'self-destructive' or 'abusive toward others', Fr.Andrew.

I am interested in your personal standard.

Fr.Andrew

(Fr Andrew): We disagree. Again.