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Jimmy Higgins · 07-01-2003, 09:49 AM

WTF?!? Is that what made him such a star in the WCW? No wonder it went defunct. He storms in to tackle some small guy, jumps around like an angry buffalo and then parades around the ring like he just won a war. What a dumbass. And Rico's character is so being setup to be one of Goldberg's victims. "Who's Next?" Who freakin' cares!

Kudos to WWE for the House Show fake on the chokeslam of Bischoff. But I'm getting tired of HHH having the title. He's had it since, what, 1987? It would have been nice if RVD could have won it, but then having Bischoff taking it back next week. Would make for a nice surprise, instead of whomever is getting the title. And they are doing too many title fights. They should have these guys in just normal matches too. And whoa! Gail Kim? Hot Dog! She is a real cutie. Best of them all. She takes the legs and breasts of Keibler and the face of Wilson. She is the complete package. Hopefully she can wrestle too. She seemed to take some good bumps. But what happened to Jazz?

And it sounds like Hogan quit for a while now. He couldn't handle not being The Man. Seeing Lesner and Angle are so much better than him, he should just grow up. I mean most of Smackdown!'s roster is better than Hogan, DUDE!

And personally, I think the push The Big Show is getting is doing well. Lesner / Big Show / Angle for the title most likely. Perhaps its time to let Big Show hold the belt for a while.

Jacey · 07-01-2003, 10:23 AM

What made Goldberg a star was the fact that he was Superman. Everyone sold for him. He had the superstar entrance and aura, and was unbeatable. You "knew" that when you cheered for him exactly what you were getting. WCW did a good job with certain aspects of his character. Of course, they fucked up when they put him over Hogan on live TV for a f'n rating instead of PPV. They should've never beat Goldberg. Never let him near a microphone either.

WCW went out of business because, quite literally, the inmates ran the asylum. New stars were never created, with the exception of Goldberg. As early as '98 it was easy to see the course they were on, and what they had to do to correct things. Never done.

HHH would never put over RVD. HHH has always guarded his spot and killed off competition. Look at what's happened to Jericho. HHH has already been bitching about everything going on with Goldberg.

I met Gail Kim at a show last August, a total cutie.

I've had no problem with Hogan for most of his WWE tenure because he's played ball. He put over Lesnar and several others, he never did that in WCW.

Smackdown shouldn't do Lesnar/Angle till Mania. Do the slow build, there's no reason to go to that match right now. Big Show is awful and doesn't work hard at all. He only constantly gets pushed because he has a 10-year contract.

Stephanie McMahon is one of the worst actresses in wrestling history, she exposes the business every time she's on camera. The McMahon-America-Gowen angle bores me but at least they're building it slow and it seems to be going well. The problem is that they're the focus of the TV and don't do house shows.

Can't wait to see more of Ultimo Dragon on Smackdown. Looks like they're going to build to a Rey-Dragon match. They've had great ones in the past.

Hot Karl · 07-01-2003, 05:50 PM

^ultimo's back? i thought his career was over with the elbow injury

Jacey · 07-01-2003, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by Hot Karl
^ultimo's back? i thought his career was over with the elbow injury

It was thought to be, actually it wasn't the injury, but the WCW botched the surgery and totally fucked it up.

But...........thankfully he's back.

Jimmy Higgins · 07-01-2003, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Jacey
It was thought to be, actually it wasn't the injury, but the WCW botched the surgery and totally fucked it up.

But...........thankfully he's back.

What do you mean the "WCW" botched the surgery? Bischoff and Russo weren't acting as surgeons, were they?

Jacey · 07-01-2003, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins
What do you mean the "WCW" botched the surgery? Bischoff and Russo weren't acting as surgeons, were they?

Meaning the surgeons on WCW's payroll or whichever.

auto-da-fe · 07-02-2003, 05:35 AM

Regarding Goldberg (whom I have met and is one hell of a guy), the reason he was so popular in WCW was because he was an unstopable force of nature. Wrestling fans like seeing someone like that every once in a while. Sure he had no depth, and can't talk worth a crap, but his facial expressions and his aggressiveness were awsome. I heard a rumor he might be going to SmackDown! as a heel to feud with Lesner/Angle. That would work only if they bring Foley back for HHH.

I agree that HHH has had the title for entirely too long. HBK was the last person to have it and he only had it for a couple of weeks if that. I don't think they should have given it to RVD, but Kane would have been a good idea, of course, I have always been a Kane mark.

Gail Kim has taken the slot for hottest babe, IMO. I thought she was absolutly gorgeous. Up to this point, I always thought Tori Wilson was the tops, but now I am not so sure. All I know is I can't wait for Gail Kim to do a Playboy spread!!! That will be awsome!

Howard · 07-02-2003, 07:01 AM

I just want to say that, image-wise, we have come a long way when someone named Goldberg is the number one tough guy. It's a name you associate more with "lawyer" than "badass."

phaedrus · 07-02-2003, 07:09 AM

hmmm....WCW....WWE

Jimmy Higgins · 07-02-2003, 09:06 AM

But the problem with Goldberg's aggressiveness is that he doesn't take on big guys. He runs in, slams Lance Storm. Storm is 1/3 his size. Am I supposed to be impressed? What gets me upset is that Goldberg has the easiest contract with the company because he be the man, yet he only goes into the ring for 60 seconds for a match. I understand the whole run in and destroy angle, but that gets boring quickly for me.

Now Undertaker / Goldberg just might work or maybe even Goldberg and Bradshaw (which looks like he got into some really good shape when he was off). Nash is just too darn slow to do anything with. Goldberg has a small niche. WWE almost has to build the company around him, seeing he can't just be put anywhere like Lesnar or Angle or Jericho.

As for Kim and playboy, I don't think that'd ever happen. My stereotypical brain tells me Koreans and porn are not interchangable. I'm assuming her heritage is Korean because of her name being Kim. Besides, she doesn't have the huge "puppies" that Lawler always prides himself on. She has perfect breasts, but not Playboy breasts. In fact, that's the only thing I see bad in Torrie Wilson. Breasts are too large. Besides, I don't want to see Kim in Playboy. I think she is more alluring with the clothes on.

07-01-2003, 09:49 AM	#1
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	Goooooooldberg... WTF?!? Is that what made him such a star in the WCW? No wonder it went defunct. He storms in to tackle some small guy, jumps around like an angry buffalo and then parades around the ring like he just won a war. What a dumbass. And Rico's character is so being setup to be one of Goldberg's victims. "Who's Next?" Who freakin' cares! Kudos to WWE for the House Show fake on the chokeslam of Bischoff. But I'm getting tired of HHH having the title. He's had it since, what, 1987? It would have been nice if RVD could have won it, but then having Bischoff taking it back next week. Would make for a nice surprise, instead of whomever is getting the title. And they are doing too many title fights. They should have these guys in just normal matches too. And whoa! Gail Kim? Hot Dog! She is a real cutie. Best of them all. She takes the legs and breasts of Keibler and the face of Wilson. She is the complete package. Hopefully she can wrestle too. She seemed to take some good bumps. But what happened to Jazz? And it sounds like Hogan quit for a while now. He couldn't handle not being The Man. Seeing Lesner and Angle are so much better than him, he should just grow up. I mean most of Smackdown!'s roster is better than Hogan, DUDE! And personally, I think the push The Big Show is getting is doing well. Lesner / Big Show / Angle for the title most likely. Perhaps its time to let Big Show hold the belt for a while.

07-01-2003, 10:23 AM	#2
Jacey Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: the gulag Posts: 3,043	Re: Goooooooldberg... What made Goldberg a star was the fact that he was Superman. Everyone sold for him. He had the superstar entrance and aura, and was unbeatable. You "knew" that when you cheered for him exactly what you were getting. WCW did a good job with certain aspects of his character. Of course, they fucked up when they put him over Hogan on live TV for a f'n rating instead of PPV. They should've never beat Goldberg. Never let him near a microphone either. WCW went out of business because, quite literally, the inmates ran the asylum. New stars were never created, with the exception of Goldberg. As early as '98 it was easy to see the course they were on, and what they had to do to correct things. Never done. HHH would never put over RVD. HHH has always guarded his spot and killed off competition. Look at what's happened to Jericho. HHH has already been bitching about everything going on with Goldberg. I met Gail Kim at a show last August, a total cutie. I've had no problem with Hogan for most of his WWE tenure because he's played ball. He put over Lesnar and several others, he never did that in WCW. Smackdown shouldn't do Lesnar/Angle till Mania. Do the slow build, there's no reason to go to that match right now. Big Show is awful and doesn't work hard at all. He only constantly gets pushed because he has a 10-year contract. Stephanie McMahon is one of the worst actresses in wrestling history, she exposes the business every time she's on camera. The McMahon-America-Gowen angle bores me but at least they're building it slow and it seems to be going well. The problem is that they're the focus of the TV and don't do house shows. Can't wait to see more of Ultimo Dragon on Smackdown. Looks like they're going to build to a Rey-Dragon match. They've had great ones in the past.

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07-01-2003, 05:50 PM	#3
Hot Karl Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 842	^ultimo's back? i thought his career was over with the elbow injury

07-02-2003, 05:35 AM	#7
auto-da-fe Veteran Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: edge of insanity Posts: 1,609	Regarding Goldberg (whom I have met and is one hell of a guy), the reason he was so popular in WCW was because he was an unstopable force of nature. Wrestling fans like seeing someone like that every once in a while. Sure he had no depth, and can't talk worth a crap, but his facial expressions and his aggressiveness were awsome. I heard a rumor he might be going to SmackDown! as a heel to feud with Lesner/Angle. That would work only if they bring Foley back for HHH. I agree that HHH has had the title for entirely too long. HBK was the last person to have it and he only had it for a couple of weeks if that. I don't think they should have given it to RVD, but Kane would have been a good idea, of course, I have always been a Kane mark. Gail Kim has taken the slot for hottest babe, IMO. I thought she was absolutly gorgeous. Up to this point, I always thought Tori Wilson was the tops, but now I am not so sure. All I know is I can't wait for Gail Kim to do a Playboy spread!!! That will be awsome!

07-02-2003, 07:01 AM	#8
Howard Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 5,864	I just want to say that, image-wise, we have come a long way when someone named Goldberg is the number one tough guy. It's a name you associate more with "lawyer" than "badass."

07-02-2003, 07:09 AM	#9
phaedrus Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Indus Posts: 1,038	hmmm....WCW....WWE

07-02-2003, 09:06 AM	#10
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	But the problem with Goldberg's aggressiveness is that he doesn't take on big guys. He runs in, slams Lance Storm. Storm is 1/3 his size. Am I supposed to be impressed? What gets me upset is that Goldberg has the easiest contract with the company because he be the man, yet he only goes into the ring for 60 seconds for a match. I understand the whole run in and destroy angle, but that gets boring quickly for me. Now Undertaker / Goldberg just might work or maybe even Goldberg and Bradshaw (which looks like he got into some really good shape when he was off). Nash is just too darn slow to do anything with. Goldberg has a small niche. WWE almost has to build the company around him, seeing he can't just be put anywhere like Lesnar or Angle or Jericho. As for Kim and playboy, I don't think that'd ever happen. My stereotypical brain tells me Koreans and porn are not interchangable. I'm assuming her heritage is Korean because of her name being Kim. Besides, she doesn't have the huge "puppies" that Lawler always prides himself on. She has perfect breasts, but not Playboy breasts. In fact, that's the only thing I see bad in Torrie Wilson. Breasts are too large. Besides, I don't want to see Kim in Playboy. I think she is more alluring with the clothes on.

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