Jayhawker Soule

In my opinion, your 'book review' was and is intellectually insulting. Your interpretation of its intent is supportable neither by the text nor by the debate surrounding it. You persistent, critical comments regarding the "authors ability to back up his claims with clear references" can only suggest (a) that you never read the book, (b) that your copy lacked the bibliography found in mine, or (c) you chose not to use it.

As for your comment: "As a non-theist, this book basically told me what I wanted to hear." - that truly says it all.

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Liquidrage

Thank you for the *spin* on you insults.
However, I don't find needing to rely on 100+ references responsible in a comerical publication.

Without reading through every reference you are forced to accept conclusions without proof very often. The author lists references by chapters instead of by point, even though each chapter includes many points categorized by a topic of the author's choosing.

Does everyone read everything in the bibliography? I doubt the average reader reads more then a few if any. The author could have included more archaeology and less conclusion of other works (alebit inlcuding many of the authors own).

I can just as easily call names and call someone else's views "intellectually insulting". Next time back it up.

Though I still advise being more skeptical of views which are similar to your own.

Berenger Sauniere

The author you are looking for is an atheist Hittite. I'll not tell you his name though. Strains of thought by this man can be found in the works of Aristotle and elsewhere. Needless to say this person was a very controversial figure in his day (and beyond). He was despised by the Romans and Jews but his ideology would later conquer them (to an extent). The Greeks were rather fond of him. He had no intention whatsoever of his works being used in a religious context. That was a later corruption by both his enemies and those that misinterpreted him.

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Bruce Wildish

It should be remembered also that the account in Genesis 6:1-4 is a mutialted fragment of the original material. Commentators in the second century BCE seem to have been aware of a different version of Genesis in which this scene was much longer and probably closer in form to the version of the story in Jubilees.

Bruce Wildish

Hans,
The majority opinion of scholars today is that Genesis is a compilation of at least three major sources of tradition that were brought together around 600-500 BCE or so. But please note that there is a growing school of thought in schoalrly circles that Genesis (and all of the major biblical literature) was produced much later than this, between 500 and 100 BCE. Whatever the precise date of its compilation (I say 300-200 BCE makes the most sense), it is clear that the final product is the work of an elite caste of priests. Any good book on the Penteteuch will explain the reason for this (van Seters has written three excellent volumes on the subject, as has Thomas Thompson).

Jayhawker Soule

Please: what is your source for this?

Toto

Smoking some good stuff this holiday?

David Gould

(Taken from the religious tolernace website.)

Why doesn't the naming pattern alone sink Christianity and all its apologists?



What is their rational for the similarities? Do they say that the thing happened the other way around (ie, the Hindu legends were imitations of the Christian ones)?

To me, this makes it pretty clear that the very foundation of monotheism (Judaism, Christianity. Islam) is sand. And quicksand at that.

Am I missing something?

Vorkosigan

Do you have more info on this? Website? Papers?

Vorkosigan

Vorkosigan

The authors of Genesis seem have picked up part of their story from Hindu
legends of the creation and early history of humanity. Stories of Hindu
heros Adimo, Heva, Sherma,, Hama and Jiapheta apparently were replicated
into legends about Adam, Eve, Shem Ham, and Japeth.

They reference K. Graves for this. I doubt it is very reliable.

Vorkosigan