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Old 05-24-2002, 06:10 PM   #11
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<strong>...your free will is an illusion to you if the future already exists.</strong>
And becomes even more nonsensical from the perspective of an omniscient god-being.

It's one thing to think about human free will as given by a creator, but doesn't the creator also possess free will? But how can any creator possess free will if its own omniscience makes its own future already known? It would seem that such a being either does make choices and is not omniscient, or else is omniscient and does not possess free will itself.

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Old 05-26-2002, 12:57 AM   #12
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Free will and omniscience are not mutually exclusive. The problem people have with this concept is based on the fact that WE are trapped in the here and now. God, however, the theory goes, can view all of history, both past and future, as if it had already occured.
But history which hasn't occurred yet doesn't exist. That's the gist of free will: that different futures are possible, depending on my choice, and that a unique future doesn't exist. How can God view something which doesn't exist ?
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You can know today exactly what you did yesterday. You know that when faced with a decision with options A, B and C, you chose option C. Does your knowledge today of the fact that you chose C yesterday mean that your choice yesterday was not free? No it does not.
Past and present are not symmetric. My infallible knowledge (or the infallible knowledge of any being) about what I will choose tomorrow negates a free choice.
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Likewise, God's knowledge of what you will chose tomorrow does not mean that your choice lacks free will.
Apologists keep saying that, but never support it with an actual argument. If God can inerrantly know at all what I will choose tomorrow, then my choice isn't free by definition. A free choice means that no one can infallibly know or predict what the outcome will be.

Any other definition of free choice makes it as meaningless as the color of the Model T: "You can get any color you want, as long as the color is black".

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