Ab_Normal

Nope, not even that complicated. Maybe I'm not remembering the plot correctly, it's been a while since I've seen the movie.

Blixy Sticks

Okay, the meddlesome priest is a metaphor for the Forged Dossier Faux Pas that appears to be eating away the foundation of Bush's power?

Ron Garrett

Making an example of Kelly may make others less talkative, especially if there turns out to be no way to connect his death to anyone.

The message is the classic:

If you become a problem:

1. We will kill you, your family and your friends.
2. We will make it look like an accident or natural causes.
3. We could do it in broad daylight in front of witnesses.
4. You won't be safe anywhere.
5. There won't be a damn thing you or anyone else can do to protect you.
6. Nobody will ever connect it to us.
7. Nobody will ever be able to prove anything.
8. You'll just be gone and our problem will be solved.

So, be smart, and don't become a "problem."

G. Gordon Liddy told me that after his arrest and before he was tried, he told "those people" that if the decision was made that he had to be "solved" to just call him and tell him what street corner to be on, because he didn't want his wife or children in harm's way. He was serious, and he wasn't being paranoid. After all, Nixon had foreign leaders assassinated, and Martha Mitchell drugged and institutionalized, so why not rub out someone like Liddy? He speculated that it was decided his death would simply be too obvious.

I don't think anyone should count on Dumbya worrying about being obvious. He's tested the gullibility of America and found it infinite. He's arrogant and stupid, and would probably feel all manly and cocky after having someone rubbed out.

Danya

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just plant the weapons like we all expect they will anyway?

Tom Sawyer

Nobody will believe them by now if they find the WMDs, so it's better not to waste the money and just let everyone get bored of the issue once the new TV season starts.

Also, that will let them keep it all on hand in case the Democrats get too uppity

Ab_Normal

sorry, blixy, my communication skills aren't up to par today. Here's a link to a site which covers the historical events described in the movie Becket.

In the movie, the line "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?", delivered by Henry to his knights, immediately preceeds Becket's murder. It usually springs to my mind whenever someone embarrassing to a major governmental figure dies conveniently.

Hugo Holbling

Here is some more context for this story from just over a week ago. Whether you care to speculate that Kelly was cleaned or just died of natural causes, the real point is the meltdown the British government has gone into as a result of Gilligan's comments, while both within and without the MOD there is much talk of intelligence service involvement.

There is something rotten in Britain.

Iluvatar

5 miles? Ok.. I didn't read the detailed story. Sorry. IMO It could very well be that this guy killed himself. People kill themselves for less. Imagine the pressure he had on him. He looked really uncomfortable at that hearing, and if he indeed was an overly sensitive guy it's not unlikely that he killed himself. If you're in that kind of a situation it can be difficult to see that not everyone is against you. Still, I don't think one should jump to any conclusions yet.

The SwampThing

Not if they want it to work...
They can�t just plant a few weapons around! They need a paper trail, they need a stock of ingredients and components that can be backtracked to Iraq from some other country.
And besides, the weapons themselfs can tell the tale:
each weapon has its own "fingerprint". The way the fission matter was enriched in "nuculer"* weapons, the way the virus culture was treated in bio weapons, or how they combined several chemical elements to produce the final killer gas or liquide, in a chemical weapon.
The way a weapon is made can tell where it was made, when it was made, and even by whom.
Just think of the anthrax scare, in the US. The anthrax used was identified because the strain used can only be found in US labs.

If this administration wanted to plant some incriminating evidence, they would need at least some ingredients that could be trailed back to Saddam. They need also to present a factory or laboratory where all those weapons could be manufactured, technicians who worked there! They would need uranium ore wich could be geologicaly identified as coming from some other country with ties to Iraq!
Hell, they would even need the byproducts that derive from WMD production, like DU, used type cultures, chemical leftovers and all that shit!! The production of such weapons is not clean! It leaves behind tons of toxic chemicals, radioactive residue and biohazzardous materials! Where are they?
If the US would want to mount such a huge scam, they would need to move tons of material, personnel and machinery, that would shurelly would not go by unnoticed...
But then again, maybe thats why its taking so long!! Maybe they are building some laboratory complex in the middle of the desert, scattering tons of residue around, a couple of armed and ready weapons, and then claim they found them...
One thing is certain:
they have gotten rid of those pesky reporters, who could blow it wide open, so...
Have you noticed how every news crew was sent away right after Bush announced the end of major operations in Iraq?
There were hardly any reporters left, not even arabic media...
Maybe that�s why the US troops bombed the shit out of Al-Jazzerah�s headquarters, and many reporters were killed!!!
To get them all out, so they can work in broad day light!!

And then again, maybe they aren�t building shit...
Maybe they are just waiting for this issue to die down, for people to forget...
If you ask me (and i know you don�t), i would say the WMD issue is a thing of the past. This latest meeting between the two numb nuts is just to straight out strategies, work out their stories and make up brand new lies to feed the public.
The people will be too busy getting slammed from one lie to the other, to think about the WMD scam...
When the public sniffs out a lie, they move on to the next.
And that�s how the show goes!!

"Vanitas vanitatum est omnia vanitas"
Or, like the man said:
"Et pluribus ad nauseum est, Georgius Bushius Numb Nutius!"
:banghead: :banghead:

*nuculer=Shrubb�s way of saying the word "nuclear".

Danya

I saw a political cartoon yesterday showing a secret employee meeting at Fox News where they all decided to start pronouncing it "nucular" too, so Bush didn't look so dumb.

Today, I swear, I saw a Fox reporter pronounce it nucular! Just once...but still.

You're right about them planting stuff. It's so big it makes you're head spin. But one thing is sure and that's that there would be investigations that would not die if they tried it. (pun pretty much intended).

CSPAN2 showed the hearing again today and with 20/20 hindsight Mr. Kelly seemed very odd...almost like he was afraid and trying to answer in a way that was as truthful as possible without angering someone. Like he had been threatened.

But, I have an active imagination and am probably reading much more into it than there is. I can say it was a little painful to watch him get grilled so hard by some of the panel.