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mark9950 · 08-04-2003, 02:46 PM

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That's pretty pathetic to try to shift the blame on to God for other peoples evils.

The Bible authors did the same thing,The Bible authors were pathetic.

GaryP · 08-04-2003, 05:39 PM

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ex-xian · 08-04-2003, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Shadowy Man
Which begins to make you wonder what fictional character has the highest body count.

Dark Phoenix took out a few billion. Of course she also saved the entire universe from blinking out of existence, though, so she's not all bad.

Well if you're going there, Thanos took out half of all life in the universe. He put it back later, though.

Magus55 · 08-04-2003, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by JaeIsGod
I have to go for the Christian god ,mainly because I just cant stand him =o

So much hate for a being that you know doesn't exist. Since you know God isn't real, what difference does the accounts of Him judging and killing people make? Since God doesn't exist to you, He didn't kill anyone. Therefore, Stalin holds the record for the most deaths of any person, and He was an atheist. Just another proof to me that God was right about all being sinful and falling short of God's glory, whether atheists or Christian. Fortunately, we were saved from sin by Jesus Christ, through the Grace of God. How about yourself?

Magus55 · 08-04-2003, 06:30 PM

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I know people keep saying this, but how can it be true?

The Jewish god didn't have a son.

I don't hold the writers of the original book accountable for material put in the sequel by different authors.

The Jewish God is the same God as the Christian one. Just because most Jews don't believe in the Trinity, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The OT implies the trinity when God speaks in the plural. Jews just ignore that.

notMichaelJackson · 08-04-2003, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
So much hate for a being that you know doesn't exist. Since you know God isn't real, what difference does the accounts of Him judging and killing people make? Since God doesn't exist to you, He didn't kill anyone. Therefore, Stalin holds the record for the most deaths of any person, and He was an atheist. Just another proof to me that God was right about all being sinful and falling short of God's glory, whether atheists or Christian. Fortunately, we were saved from sin by Jesus Christ, through the Grace of God. How about yourself?

So it doesn't matter that God ordered all of these murders, just as long as he exists?

Ojuice5001 · 08-04-2003, 06:42 PM

Definitely Allah. Yahweh seems more like he likes to kill people, but not too much. So (after the fifth century, when his power becomes secure) he creates some kind of specialized class of people that he wants a selected minority of his followers to kill. First it was pagans, then Jews, then heretics, and now it's the gays and abortion doctors. Also, his usurpation of the Roman Empire, and other parts of Europe, were fairly bloodless. The only major wars that were Christian against infidel were the Crusades and the conquest of Mexico.

Allah, on the other hand, was quite warlike in his rise to power. The Muslims get tired of killing infidels much slower than the Christians. And I think that you'd have to count all the women who have been executed for crimes like adultery, and other strict laws of that kind, since they come from the Koran or Old Testament. And remember the terrorists. But since the time of Jesus, few of Yahweh's followers have favored a literal application of Leviticus.

Now, it's true that Yahweh got a head start, since Allah did very little until the seventh century. But by the same token, in the eighteenth century Yahweh lost to the post-Enlightenment gods the dominion over all his realm except South America. While Allah has retained his to the present. Therefore, there have been a lot more "acts of God" in the last three hundred years that are Allah's responsibility, than similar events that are Yahweh's responsibility.

Magus55 · 08-04-2003, 06:45 PM

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So it doesn't matter that God ordered all of these murders, just as long as he exists?

For the 1000th time, killing is not always murder. You don't see us hating and despising marines for killing Iraqi's, based on your definition thats murder too.

Magus55 · 08-04-2003, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by Ojuice5001
Definitely Allah. Yahweh seems more like he likes to kill people, but not too much. So (after the fifth century, when his power becomes secure) he creates some kind of specialized class of people that he wants a selected minority of his followers to kill. First it was pagans, then Jews, then heretics, and now it's the gays and abortion doctors. Also, his usurpation of the Roman Empire, and other parts of Europe, were fairly bloodless. The only major wars that were Christian against infidel were the Crusades and the conquest of Mexico.

Allah, on the other hand, was quite warlike in his rise to power. The Muslims get tired of killing infidels much slower than the Christians. And I think that you'd have to count all the women who have been executed for crimes like adultery, and other strict laws of that kind, since they come from the Koran or Old Testament. And remember the terrorists. But since the time of Jesus, few of Yahweh's followers have favored a literal application of Leviticus.

Now, it's true that Yahweh got a head start, since Allah did very little until the seventh century. But by the same token, in the eighteenth century Yahweh lost to the post-Enlightenment gods the dominion over all his realm except South America. While Allah has retained his to the present. Therefore, there have been a lot more "acts of God" in the last three hundred years that are Allah's responsibility, than similar events that are Yahweh's responsibility.

You criticize the Christian God, claiming He's a myth, yet you believe in the Roman gods? Talk about hypocritical.

notMichaelJackson · 08-04-2003, 06:48 PM

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For the 1000th time, killing is not always murder. You don't see us hating and despising marines for killing Iraqi's, based on your definition thats murder too.

Please define murder for us, and then explain how your false god killing millions of people is not murder.

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Ojuice5001 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A city in Florida that I love Posts: 3,416	Definitely Allah. Yahweh seems more like he likes to kill people, but not too much. So (after the fifth century, when his power becomes secure) he creates some kind of specialized class of people that he wants a selected minority of his followers to kill. First it was pagans, then Jews, then heretics, and now it's the gays and abortion doctors. Also, his usurpation of the Roman Empire, and other parts of Europe, were fairly bloodless. The only major wars that were Christian against infidel were the Crusades and the conquest of Mexico. Allah, on the other hand, was quite warlike in his rise to power. The Muslims get tired of killing infidels much slower than the Christians. And I think that you'd have to count all the women who have been executed for crimes like adultery, and other strict laws of that kind, since they come from the Koran or Old Testament. And remember the terrorists. But since the time of Jesus, few of Yahweh's followers have favored a literal application of Leviticus. Now, it's true that Yahweh got a head start, since Allah did very little until the seventh century. But by the same token, in the eighteenth century Yahweh lost to the post-Enlightenment gods the dominion over all his realm except South America. While Allah has retained his to the present. Therefore, there have been a lot more "acts of God" in the last three hundred years that are Allah's responsibility, than similar events that are Yahweh's responsibility.

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