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tragic_pizza · 07-03-2002, 12:37 PM

Of course I agree that God should not be legislated. When, however, skeptics build a straw man from Power Rangers, I must take note.

Scrambles · 07-03-2002, 01:02 PM

There is no strawman. Stop criticising jokes and statements of little or no consequence.

Scrambles

tragic_pizza · 07-03-2002, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Scrambles:
There is no strawman. Stop criticising jokes and statements of little or no consequence.

Why? You find "under God" offensive, I find "Plus, God's just about as believable as the Power Rangers, complete with crappy special effects" offensive.

What's that thing in the Constitution about free speech?

hezekiah jones · 07-03-2002, 01:32 PM

No point starting a flame war over the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Teletubbies, maybe.

tragic_pizza · 07-03-2002, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by hezekiah jones:
No point starting a flame war over the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Teletubbies, maybe.

Especially that gay one.

hezekiah jones · 07-03-2002, 01:44 PM

Tinky Winky. Maybe Tinky Winky can appear on FOX News to comment on sodomy laws, since ALF is already the resident constitutional scholar.

Toto · 07-03-2002, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by tragic_pizza:


Why? You find "under God" offensive, I find "Plus, God's just about as believable as the Power Rangers, complete with crappy special effects" offensive.

What's that thing in the Constitution about free speech?

This is getting a little bizarre. The Constitutional right to Free Speech means that we can say things that are offensive to your sensibilities, and you can return the favor, as long as we are private citizens and not using the power of the state to force our views on each other.

The point of the Newdow case is that a government agent (a teacher) gives up some free speech rights and cannot, while on the job, indicate preference for one religious point of view. A teacher who forced children to recite "God is as real as a Mighty Morphin Power Ranger" would be way out of line.

Surely you are not going to argue that a teacher can lead a pledge to Zeus (with an accompanying ritual sacrifice) as part of his right to free speech?

tragic_pizza · 07-03-2002, 02:24 PM

No, of course not. I was not referring at all to the cntroversy at hand; rather, I was referring to being ordered to "Stop criticising jokes and statements of little or no consequence."

Toto · 07-03-2002, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
No, of course not. I was not referring at all to the controversy at hand; rather, I was referring to being ordered to "Stop criticising jokes and statements of little or no consequence."

You were not "ordered" to stop criticizing jokes and statements of little consequences. The person who wrote that has no power over you. I suspect that he was just looking out for your best interests - didn't want you to come across as someone who can't understand a joke

Scrambles · 07-03-2002, 04:50 PM

The thing is, tragic, you are ONLY responding/complaining about statements which have little or no relevance to the subject of the thread.

The things you are complaining about aren't arguments, they are just statements of belief. The article does not contain a strawman when it says that kids might be thinking of power rangers when reciting the "under God" part of the pledge. Hence you have no argument.

Scrambles

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07-03-2002, 12:37 PM	#21
tragic_pizza Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 108	Of course I agree that God should not be legislated. When, however, skeptics build a straw man from Power Rangers, I must take note.

07-03-2002, 01:02 PM	#22
Scrambles Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Chch, NZ Posts: 234	There is no strawman. Stop criticising jokes and statements of little or no consequence. Scrambles

07-03-2002, 01:32 PM	#24
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	No point starting a flame war over the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Teletubbies, maybe.

07-03-2002, 01:44 PM	#26
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Tinky Winky. Maybe Tinky Winky can appear on FOX News to comment on sodomy laws, since ALF is already the resident constitutional scholar.

07-03-2002, 02:24 PM	#28
tragic_pizza Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 108	No, of course not. I was not referring at all to the cntroversy at hand; rather, I was referring to being ordered to "Stop criticising jokes and statements of little or no consequence."

07-03-2002, 04:50 PM	#30
Scrambles Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Chch, NZ Posts: 234	The thing is, tragic, you are ONLY responding/complaining about statements which have little or no relevance to the subject of the thread. The things you are complaining about aren't arguments, they are just statements of belief. The article does not contain a strawman when it says that kids might be thinking of power rangers when reciting the "under God" part of the pledge. Hence you have no argument. Scrambles

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