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Old 07-24-2003, 01:48 PM   #11
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Clicking on the link within the article, it claims that 'Special Operations Forces' could mean:

Special Forces
Rangers
Delta Force
Nightstalkers
Navy SEALs
SWCC
or Air Force (?)

And I have to still question this whole thing. Once they realized who was in the house, why did the commanders not tell them to simply keep them in there until people with the appropriate training did arrive?
Delta force would have been appropritae, but they are stateside, under HSD.

As for waiting, they simply did not have time. They were, it seems, concerned about the actions of supporters (riots, snipers, etc).

Personally, I will shed few tears for the brothers. I regret the loss of intelligence, but those two monsters finally got their due.

This, of course, does not justify the occupation, or the war. The world is FULL of monsters such as these, and we were never appointed to be the world's police.
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Old 07-24-2003, 02:00 PM   #12
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It seems that the scene went something like this:

Will they surrender?
No.

OK, let's go in and take 'em.
We've tried four times but they're putting up a hell of a fight.

Well, we gave 'em their chance. Just blow up the whole building...
...before they kill themselves and then we wouldn't get the credit for it.
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They should have left this one to the british, something tells me the outcome would have been different if they had handled the operation... Of course my opinion that the british military forces are more competent than the US forces is just that, an opinion.
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Old 07-24-2003, 02:49 PM   #14
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Question I have but one question...

How many American (or Coalition) soldier's lives would it be worth just to take these two sons-of-bitches alive!?!

And for what purpose would it actually serve in taking them alive? Just so we could learn more about the heinous exploits of these men that corporate conglomerates (e.g. VIACOM, FOX, etc.) can get their hands on in producing book and movie deals in order to glamorize their viciousness? Please...

I figured someone would have to ask this question, as ignorant as it is, seeing as it is combat (hence, the elimination of your enemies) after all.

:banghead: And I simply cannot believe that some of you are actually questioning/arguing that these evil bastards should have even been taken alive
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:banghead: And I simply cannot believe that some of you are actually questioning/arguing that these evil bastards should have even been taken alive
From an MI point of view, taking them alive would have been invaluable.

You can always chop their heads off later.
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They should have been taken alive for questioning since that would very likley produce some very useful information, such as the whereabouts of daddy.
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They should have been taken alive for questioning since that would very likley produce some very useful information, such as the whereabouts of daddy.
That's a little presumptuous, don't you think!

Do you actually believe they'd give up the "secrets" of their little family affair (i.e., location of 'daddy,' where the N/B/C is, etc.)?

Could (all of) you be anymore obtuse/naive!?!

PS. I see you didn't answer my initial question.

How many American (or Coalition) lives would it have been worth to capture these sons-of-bitches alive (based on your mere presumption (er...wishful thinking) that they'd be valuable because they'd 'give it up')?
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How many American (or Coalition) lives would it have been worth to capture these sons-of-bitches alive (based on your mere presumption (er...wishful thinking) that they'd be valuable because they'd 'give it up')?
I don't know. Was it worth 23 US soldiers to get Noriega alive? I guess we'll never know the answer now, though.
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That's a little presumptuous, don't you think!

Do you actually believe they'd give up the "secrets" of their little family affair (i.e., location of 'daddy,' where the N/B/C is, etc.)?

Could (all of) you be anymore obtuse/naive!?!

PS. I see you didn't answer my initial question.

How many American (or Coalition) lives would it have been worth to capture these sons-of-bitches alive (based on your mere presumption (er...wishful thinking) that they'd be valuable because they'd 'give it up')?
Yes, it is absolutly worth risking lives to secure these men alive.

Assume for a second that the Pentagon and the Whitehouse actualy do/did think these WMDs exist like they keep saying.

I think if the decision makers really thought that there were WMD materials under these men's control, and these WMD materials are now unaccounted for and most likely distributed to other forces that would use them against the U.S, then it would be criticaly important to question these men. Even if it was unlikely they would intentionaly or mistakenly reveal information about Iraqi WMD, it is utter neglect to not even attempt to question the best possible candidates for this information. The entire war was suposidly about keeping Americans safe from these weapons.

If now that we finaly know where the people who are most likely to possess this information are it isn't worth risking even one life to attmept to secure information on where these weapons went, then we never should have been there in the first place.

Many Americans have already died to bring this situation to the point where we could find these brothers. To now make no attempt to find the information these Americans died to discover insults these dead and dimishes their sacrifices.
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How many American (or Coalition) lives were worth the cluster fuck we have over there now?
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