HaysooChreesto!

You point out another thing that I find incredibly wrong with Xtianity. It's a religion of death worship (as are most religions).

1) The ultimate goal for every Xtian is to get into heaven. That's the top, the summit, the pure reason for existence

2) If one does not go to heaven, they roast for eternity.

3) Children are innocent and should they die they get into heaven automatically. No one knows what the cutoff age for "innocence" is but I guess Xtians know it when they see it.

Therefore, to stay logically consistent (I know, I know) then the type of Xtian mentioned above must believe that it's better for a child to die than to be able to grow up and make their own decisions thereby exposing themselves to the majority chance of ending up suffering for eternity.
By this "reasoning" Andrea Yates did her kids a big favor and they're up in heaven right now thankful for it. But if they love their mother, aren't they sad that she's suffering here? And what about... and what about... and what about... Etcetera.

joedad

Dilfer talks insanity but doesn't act insane.

Dilfer obviously believes in something called the Right of Disposition, much like the Divine Right of Kings. His deity owns everything and can rightfully dispose of it as it sees fit. Sounds pretty obscene and sick, especially when you're talking about a child's life.

Yates, on the other hand, acted out her insanity, kind of like burning people alive or killing homosexuals.

Dilfer might be an interesting conversation. He still worships and follows a loving warlord, but I don't think he sees it so.

joe

Badfish

No, he's not getting his son back.

Badfish

It's simple, his son died and he is in heaven.

I don't know anything about this right of disposition, it isn't biblical, and it isn't consistent with God's plan for salvation.

Badfish

No, she's not! Christians can become dillusional too, obviously, her actions are not consistent with the bible's not even the OT.

Ronin

Become?

Exodus ~

4:23
And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

11:4
And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt:

11:5
And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.

12:12
For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go, that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast: therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the matrix, being males; but all the firstborn of my children I redeem.

21:17
And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

Numbers ~

31:17
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

31:18
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.



Screw this...I'm tired of showing christians their own mythical monster.

That's just the tip of the iceberg...go read that damned book again, Badfish.

scombrid

Why does god refer to himself as "us" and "our" in Genesis?

As for the OP. I feel for Mr. Dilfer but I can't understand the logic anymore. I think to him it's like saying, well this is bad but Jesus had it worse so I'm doing alright. He's seeking strength in what everybody around him tells him will give him strength.

From what did Jesus save the world? All the ills that predated Jesus are still here as they were before the flood. Twice god has tried to fix the world and twice god has failed.

Sabine Grant

salut Ronin... are your comments to support that Andrea Yates is a role model for christians or are you adding more information on her illness ? to my knowledge a psychosis is not curable ( my mother has schizophrenia) and the victim of that terrible illness cannot be held responsible for her or his choices. That you point to the extreme application of biblical principles having led her husband to ignore the severity of her condition, I fully agree with you. However, you need to trust that not all christians would ignore a medical reality to apply blindly what they understand from the Bible.
If I examine the degree of accountability God would attribute to Andrea or her husband according to scriptures, the man would bear judgement for leading his wife into that tragedy. He had the task to protect and nurture her. Instead he placed his overzealous religious belief before the welfare of his family. In my schizo world , Ronin, this God is still aware of whom bears responsibility. He still has the ability to evaluate who did wrong and why. He still has the ability to explore the human mind and apply Grace.
Would you condemn Andrea, Ronin, if you were given the right to judge her?

Sabine Grant

One explanation I had found is that the use of the 1st person plural pronoun which is claimed to be also used in the hebrew text points to the state of God as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. However that is contested by jewish scholars.
It would be better to address that question to a bible scholar which I am not.

Badfish

Your showing things that are way out of context and do not apply in anyway with the new covenent.

Why don't you read and you will understand the context, and to which people that commandment was made for.

I don't know why people always get confused about how Christ released Jews and everyone from some OT laws and all Levitical cleansing laws.

NOTE: I don't really get too in depth, unless someone is serious.