anime

You want me to say that God is not all-knowing period?

I would have to find verses to back that up before I could say it.

Bluefire211

You have already accomplished this, I am just challenging you to admit it. Please reread the last several posts I have made.

I will restate: the area of a person's future "state" is a member of the set of all things. Therefore, for one to know all things, one must know about all future states of a person.

Why do you need to find a verse to support what is obviously logical? Are things only logical when they don't contradict the Bible? If so, what about cases in which the Bible contradicts itself? There are many of these.
You cannot interpret God to be all-knowing and then have Him not know something.

Either your book is wrong, or millions of people have interpreted it incorrectly.

Over and out,
JeremyB.

Ion

I agree with this:
In plain English, "...knows all things." is indeed unconditional all-knowing, and not knowing something is indeed contrary to "...knows all things.".

anime

The only thing you are telling me is that you do not recognize the qualifiers that I have pointed out from Scripture above.

This is your right.

Bluefire211, could you please give me an example of a Bible contradiction?

Bluefire211

I do recognize the qualifers you have pointed out, and have explained to you that if those qualifiers hold true for what God knows, then God cannot know all things. This is because knowing all things is unqualified. You either do, or you don't. If you know almost all things, you still don't know all things. Therefore, God either knows all things in which case your qualifiers are irrelevant, or God does not know all things.

Let me re-iterate:
The concept of "all things" is unqualified. If you qualify it, maybe by saying one knows all things about a certain subject, then that person or entity still does not know all things, which can be expanded into "knows all things about all things." This is because everything about all things is included in the set of all things, which you would have to know in order to know "all things."

The concepts of "all" and "all things" are actually quite simple. The difficulty with which some people understand these things is quite disturbing. If you are still having trouble with these, let me know your exact difficulties and I would be more than happy to explain them to you, or if you like I can contact my university's philosophy department if you do not trust my word on a simple topic.

For contradictions galore, check out www.skepticsannotatedbible.com
Or continue browsing this forum, there are plenty to be found here.

However, I believe that general contradictions are beyond the scope of this thread, and further we seem to have strayed a bit off-topic in the first place.

Over and out,
Bluefire211

Ion

Once more, it is very simply explained here:
anime,

English is my third best language, out of four, and if English is your best language, then your comprehension is deficient.

anime

I repeat, "These verses show that God is not all-knowing in the area of a person's future "state" (or which ever word you choose to use)."

For a list of answers to alleged contradictons, see my page here: http://www.geocities.com/evanspe2001...repancies.html

Bluefire211

Yep. Exactly. God is not all-knowing, because the area of a person's future "state" is included in the set of all things. I rest my case. This is of course assuming He exists.
This will be my last reply to this thread until something new comes up. Chao!

Over and out,
Bluefire211

Ion

Okey dokey, anime.

Therefore, 'God' "...knows all things." in the Bible is false:
The Bible has plenty of these falseties, anime, you know that, do you?