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Amen-Moses · 10-22-2002, 09:37 AM

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The clitoris is, however, the only body part which has providing sensual pleasure as its's only function. This, I think speaks volumes.

Yep, and I wish I had one. You are right that female orgasm is completely different to male orgasm, in fact the two shouldn't really be compared but the fact remains that orgasm is mainly a functon of the mind not the anatomy, ejaculation is not equal to orgasm in fact it is possible for both men and women to ejaculate without anything resembling an orgasm and it is possible to orgasm without any physical genital contact at all. Now I can't really comment on how easy or prolific the ability is but I have no reason to doubt that with the right training almost anyone should be able to achieve it.

Any Tantric Sex practitioners out there who can comment?

Amen-Moses

Megusic · 10-22-2002, 09:37 AM

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Some involve simply sewing up the labia to prohibit penetration (in this type the husband reopens the orifice prior to the first sexual act with a sharp knife).

Amen-Moses

SIMPLY? OUCH!! Let someone take a needle to your genitals, then tell me how simple it is. Let me see your reaction when your lover comes within six inches of your penis with a knife!

Amen-Moses · 10-22-2002, 09:41 AM

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SIMPLY? OUCH!! Let someone take a needle to your genitals, then tell me how simple it is. Let me see your reaction when your lover comes within six inches of your penis with a knife!

The simply was in reference to there being no removal as such and I agree that the opening ceremony would be extremely unpleasant so why do women in these cultures continue the practice? They must think there is something to be gained by it just as the pro-MGM crowd do.

Amen-Moses

Megusic · 10-22-2002, 09:42 AM

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Remember that it is the women of the generation before that carry on this tradition believing that to not do so would make their daughters less of a woman, the same argument is given by MGM supporters btw. Men have virtually no say in these cultures as to how their daughters are brought up.

Amen-Moses

Amen, FGM occurs in a wide variety of cultures, for a variety of reasons. You cannot just lump them all together like you have. It is not just women carrying on this tradition. Granted while in many places, women do the procedures, it is because the men will not take a woman who still has a clitoris...it is part of that culture. Still there are places where men specifically do this, and places where it doesn't matter who carries out the procedure as long as it is done.

Megusic · 10-22-2002, 09:47 AM

Hi again everyone, sorry I didn't write this before I started replying...

But thank you all for talking with me, I appreciate your contributions, even though I obviously may not agree. Unfortunately I have to go to class

and can't get out all that I want to now, so carry on!

And thank you to Utbabya for your decription of the male circumcision and showing that the procedure entails far more than just snipping off some "extra" skin! And like I said, for those of you who still see this as a simple, safe, routine procedure, I suggest to go to a hospital and watch one being done. I have no problem if you choose to get circumcized, but if you plan on doing it to someone else, watch the look on their face while it happens. I'm sure it's pretty similar to the faces of little girls all over the world as their genitals are mutilated...scared, hurt, and confused.

Amen-Moses · 10-22-2002, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by Megusic:
Amen, FGM occurs in a wide variety of cultures, for a variety of reasons. You cannot just lump them all together like you have. It is not just women carrying on this tradition. Granted while in many places, women do the procedures, it is because the men will not take a woman who still has a clitoris...it is part of that culture. Still there are places where men specifically do this, and places where it doesn't matter who carries out the procedure as long as it is done.

Well I have only seen one documentary on the subject and that was in Africa, there the men had no say whatsoever in the practice and most of those asked were adamant that they didn't really care for it themselves (the bit with the knife being the part they particularly wouldn't mind avoiding). Many of the men had in fact worked abroad and/or seen porn from other cultures and admitted that they hadn't realised quite what the practice actually meant.

Now maybe in other countries it is different but in all my discussions on the subject I have never heard a man defend the practice yet have seen many women from the cultures do so so I find it strange that men get all the blame! How come we don't blame women for MGM?

Amen-Moses

Glory · 10-22-2002, 10:05 AM

Counterintuitive as it seems, it is usually women who carry on this tradition at least in the documentaries and articles I have seen which were centered on African and Arab cultures. As is often the case here in the US, it is the women in those cultures who are the "keepers of propriety". They have been so thouroughly indoctrinated by their cultures that they believe it is for the best. They have undergone the procedure themselves and seem to figure that it is part of the burden a proper woman must bear. They are hardly unique, it seems to me. Many daughters have been harmed by well meaning but harsh, judgemental and toxic mothers.

Glory

MzNeko · 10-23-2002, 11:06 AM

Amen-Moses, I do think it's great to point out that there are other ways to achieve sexual pleasure. And a good thing too, as any number of injuries or illnesses can impair the usual methods�

However, I feel a need to point out that the cultures that practice FGM don't exactly seem to be very big on encouraging women to find out what they like and ask for it in bed!

Amen-Moses · 10-23-2002, 01:16 PM

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However, I feel a need to point out that the cultures that practice FGM don't exactly seem to be very big on encouraging women to find out what they like and ask for it in bed!

Do the cultures that practice MGM fair any better in this regard?

Amen-Moses

Dreamer_87 · 10-23-2002, 03:15 PM

'The comparisons many texts make of female to male circ. are not in referenct to pain, but to illustrate the physical equivalents.'

Thank you for the correction, Megusic.

Hmmm speaking of which I remember reading an article on yahoo news that basicly said that circumcised men have fewer chances of getting a form of cancer, sorry but it's really late so I'll do a search in the morning and get back to you all.

Are there any other alleged benefits? And do you think the claims are correct? if so and if not, why?

Dreamer,
off to bed

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10-22-2002, 09:47 AM	#25
Megusic Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: OH Posts: 1,292	Hi again everyone, sorry I didn't write this before I started replying... But thank you all for talking with me, I appreciate your contributions, even though I obviously may not agree. Unfortunately I have to go to class and can't get out all that I want to now, so carry on! And thank you to Utbabya for your decription of the male circumcision and showing that the procedure entails far more than just snipping off some "extra" skin! And like I said, for those of you who still see this as a simple, safe, routine procedure, I suggest to go to a hospital and watch one being done. I have no problem if you choose to get circumcized, but if you plan on doing it to someone else, watch the look on their face while it happens. I'm sure it's pretty similar to the faces of little girls all over the world as their genitals are mutilated...scared, hurt, and confused.

10-22-2002, 10:05 AM	#27
Glory Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: b Posts: 673	Counterintuitive as it seems, it is usually women who carry on this tradition at least in the documentaries and articles I have seen which were centered on African and Arab cultures. As is often the case here in the US, it is the women in those cultures who are the "keepers of propriety". They have been so thouroughly indoctrinated by their cultures that they believe it is for the best. They have undergone the procedure themselves and seem to figure that it is part of the burden a proper woman must bear. They are hardly unique, it seems to me. Many daughters have been harmed by well meaning but harsh, judgemental and toxic mothers. Glory

10-23-2002, 11:06 AM	#28
MzNeko Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Long Beach, California Posts: 1,127	Amen-Moses, I do think it's great to point out that there are other ways to achieve sexual pleasure. And a good thing too, as any number of injuries or illnesses can impair the usual methods� However, I feel a need to point out that the cultures that practice FGM don't exactly seem to be very big on encouraging women to find out what they like and ask for it in bed!

10-23-2002, 03:15 PM	#30
Dreamer_87 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Saudi Arabia Posts: 29	'The comparisons many texts make of female to male circ. are not in referenct to pain, but to illustrate the physical equivalents.' Thank you for the correction, Megusic. Hmmm speaking of which I remember reading an article on yahoo news that basicly said that circumcised men have fewer chances of getting a form of cancer, sorry but it's really late so I'll do a search in the morning and get back to you all. Are there any other alleged benefits? And do you think the claims are correct? if so and if not, why? Dreamer, off to bed

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