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Old 08-12-2003, 08:05 PM   #11
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Daniel 1:9 (KJV) - Now God had brought Daniel into favour and tender love with the prince of the eunuchs.

The KJV translates it as "tender love" but other translations use: compassion (NRSV, RSV, NASB, ESV, ASV, MSG), sympathy (NIV), mercy/mercies (DRB, YLT), sympathetic (GNB), goodwill (NKJV). Strong's number says "tender love" is rakh'-am - compassion (in the plural); by extension the womb (as cherishing the foetus); by implication a maiden: - bowels, compassion, damsel, tender love, (great, tender) mercy, pity, womb. It doesn't seem to be a homosexual reference.
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There were reports that David either had homo tendencies or was gay,but solomon squashed the reporters?
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There were reports that David either had homo tendencies or was gay,but solomon squashed the reporters?
It's in the Bible! It's a fact.

Or, maybe you need to recalibrate your irony meter.

Let mark9950 be a lesson against spiteful eisegesis. Go in peace, and don't do likewise.

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Reading between the lines (and somewhat tongue-in-cheek), I'd suggest Ruth and Naomi. First you've got the "whither thou goest" thang in chapter 1 (Book of Ruth). Ruth is smitten! Then of course the character of Boaz is himself quite suspicious - unmarried yet wealthy. Why doesn't Boaz have a wife already? Hmmm...maybe he's gay too? After all, he gets drunk and Ruth lies down with him, but no hanky-panky ensues. But soon Boaz realizes that a marriage of convenience to Ruth could be mutually beneficial. He and Ruth do the nasty, she conceives and bears a son, after which exit Boaz stage right - he is now free to pursue his "young men" (2:15) without suspicion, given his sham marriage to Ruth. And lo and behold: it is Naomi who nurses the child. (Ruth apparently is the butch one, doing field work and such.) The local women exclaim, "a child had been born to Naomi" (4:17) - very suspicious indeed. Ruth and Naomi continue in their lesbian bliss, and raise the child together. (A more pc title for the book might be "Obed has two mommies".)
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How about whatever went on when Noah’s son Ham saw him drunk and naked (Gen 9)? Noah’s response to merely being seen naked was a little... over the top, shall we say? Makes you wonder what Ham tried on with his Dad...

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The odd thing is, AFAIK, IIRC, they were rapists, but not gay per se.
Precisely. And let's not forget also that they were hoping to rape two angels who, if Xtians believe what Jesus said, are neither male nor female. So the whole fundie obsession with relating homosexuality to Sodom & Gomorrah is yet further proof that they know sod all about the book they claim is the inerrant word of God.
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How about whatever went on when Noah’s son Ham saw him drunk and naked (Gen 9)? Noah’s response to merely being seen naked was a little... over the top, shall we say? Makes you wonder what Ham tried on with his Dad...
Some people have interpreted the phrase "saw his father's nakedness" to mean that Ham had sexual relations with Noah, based on the fact that in at least one place (Lev 20:17, while most of Lev 18 uses the related term "uncover the nakedness") it does translate as that. Most sources I've read, though, reject that interpretation.

BTW, it is probably not a homosexual act, just weird. I mean, taking a peek at your drunk father and talking about it with your bros, now he really must have some "issues". See the Brick Testament's for a pictorial-LEGO dramatization to the said act.
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How about whatever went on when Noah’s son Ham saw him drunk and naked (Gen 9)? Noah’s response to merely being seen naked was a little... over the top, shall we say? Makes you wonder what Ham tried on with his Dad...

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Probably tied pink ribbons around yonder stiffy, or put the Pets.com sock puppet on it.
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What about the Christian Bible?:

John 13: (KJV)

27 "And after the soap Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly."

I heard that Gibson originally wanted the pitcher Sandy Koufax to play Satan.

SATAN, n.
One of the Creator's lamentable mistakes, repented in sashcloth and axes. Being instated as an archangel, Satan made himself multifariously objectionable and was finally expelled from Heaven. Halfway in his descent he paused, bent his head in thought a moment and at last went back. "There is one favor that I should like to ask," said he.
"Name it."
"Man, I understand, is about to be created. He will need laws."
"What, wretch! you his appointed adversary, charged from the dawn of eternity with hatred of his soul -- you ask for the right to make his laws?"
"Pardon; what I have to ask is that he be permitted to make them himself."
It was so ordered.

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