Demigawd

And you know this how? Personal belief? Heck, even though Magus55 annoys me to no end with his fundie prosletizing, I would not wish anytime in any hell on him.

xsquid

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Magus55
God does follow His own rules. The delusion is just giving you what you want. You want to believe God doesn't exist, and none of this will happen - you've rejected God. So when the time comes, God just gives you what you want - He lets you believe in a man a sin, a Man who lives by the world instead of God. He values earthly possessions, over spiritual salvation.
What is it YOU want, Magus, and how do you know you're getting it, and not being deceived yourself?

Look at the people on this board, always saying God is myth, a joke - He exists as much as Santa etc. etc.

Oh, no, God is no joke. People haven't been slaughtered and enslaved in the name of Santa. People don't write bestselling books about the AntiApollo. People don't sing about the mercy of Kuan Yin (well, maybe they do, but I don't believe in her, either).

You don't want to believe in Him - that trend will just continue when the AC arrises. God isn't stopping you from believing in Him, you just already chose not to - so what makes you think you would during the reign of the AC?

No, the question is, What makes YOU think I would? I'd like very much to believe in Belldandy--a more beautiful, benevolent deity I've never heard of. And she isn't stopping me from believing in her either. But I can't--because I know she's not real.

And there will be billions to tell Him how great He is. But yes, many won't accept Him because they don't want to - they have been fooled by the world.

Maybe he won't be accepted because he behaves like the Boogeyman...and you're too grown up to believe in the Boogieman any more. Right?

Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

It sure is: John 4:22 "For salvation is of the Jews." And again: Matt 15:26 "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel...It is not meet to take the children's bread, and cast it to dogs." Sounds like only the Jews are gonna make it through that gate. Are you one of 'em?

4 billion some people chose the easy path, the wide one. The narrow one is for those who seek it out, and not expect it to hit them in the head.


How so? Unlike Saul, I didn't hunt down Jews and lead in stoning them; but you'll hardly deny that Damascus thing was a hit in the head. If he could do that to Saul/Paul, why not me? Why not everyone, since he's all-powerful and such. Or maybe he's building up his power for a super-blast, like some videogame hero, and has been doing it for the last 2000 years.

But we've gotten WAY off course, Magus; this thread is about the AC's so-called appeal. You STILL haven't told me if you'd be immune to him if he was an Israeli, nor why you think you xtians would be immune while everyone else would not. Despite what you think, I wouldn't have to be an "enemy of God" by ignoring him, just like I'm not an enemy of Martha Stewart by ignoring her. You think like a tyrant--but you would, of course. Look at who your model is!

emotional

Exactly. I have no evidence or proof for the existence of the afterlife. All I can say is you'll believe in the afterlife when you get there. But don't fret, most atheists lead good, clean lives and will find themselves in heaven. One's personal beliefs don't count.

He's making his hell every time he preaches his hatred-filled message. Don't worry, it's not eternal, he'll get out of there as soon as he repents

winstonjen

Well, at least Santa doesn't torture people who don't believe in him. We can still get presents from our parents and other people.

Demigawd

What about all those stockings full of coal?

Magus55

We don't have to meet, because I know there is no human on the Earth that hasn't sinned ( by the definition of sin anyway - you may not agree with it - but it doesn't make it any less true).

Lets see. Have you ever lied? cussed? cheated? looked a playboy? Had sex without being married? Ever been overly proud of an accomplishment? Ever been angry with anyone? Ever eaten too much of something? Ever been lazy and just laid around doing nothing? Ever been greedy? Ever made fun of someone? Ever blasphemied the Lords name? ( lol, if you answer no to that one i know you are full of it - and hint: rejecting His existence falls into this category). Ever gotten angry and hateful towards your parents? Ever wanted something someone else had? Money, fame, power, cars, girls etc?

And there are alot more - but whether you agree with it or not - those are unpure things and go against God - hence sins - and im sure you've done most, if not all of them sometime in your life - or you will.

Yes, everyone sins because we live in a fallen world, and no i don't see a problem with how He created us - because He created humanity perfect - and humanity didn't stay perfect - we abuse our free will. Any human in the same situation as Adam and Eve would have done the same thing. Of course God knew this, but it was essential to have a creation that could obey and love Him freely without being mindless robots. That is also why He made it so easy to be saved. Do you think you could ever follow the some 600+ OT laws perfectly? God knew we couldn't do it, which is why He planned to do it himself all along - so that despite sinning against Him, and destroying His creation - all is not lost for us - and we can eventually return to how things were meant to be.

Magus55

First of all, where did you get the idea its impossible for rich people to be saved? Care to provide some scripture? Greed is a sin like any other and is forgiven by Jesus.

And another thing - for someone who considers himself a Christian and believes in Jesus as your Lord and Savior - you are pretty harsh against fellow Christians, whether it be a fundamentalist or not. You sound just like the atheists on this board - nothing like a Christian devoted to Christ .

Magus55

Santa isn't required to punish the guilty either.

Mageth

And another thing - for someone who considers himself a Christian and believes in Jesus as your Lord and Savior - you are pretty harsh against fellow Christians, whether it be a fundamentalist or not. You sound just like the atheists on this board - nothing like a Christian devoted to Christ .

There's one more to add to your list of sins, Magus.

emotional

Sin doesn't mean anything to Magus, because he's covered by the blood of Christ. It's a very handy device: you can steal, cheat, lie, murder or commit any other sin in the world and still come clean, just because you're covered by the blood of Christ. Perfect absolution from any notion of personal responsibility whatsoever. The Devil's perfect deal.

All those Christians who trust in their faith in Christ to bring them to heaven are in for a rude awaking when they die. They'll be rewarded for kindly behaviour towards others, just as atheists will, but they'll find that their faith in Christ counts for nothing at all. What a waste!