Gandhi the Hun

I don't get it--It is better to choose God's way but we do not know God's way?

Selsaral

Some people thousands of years ago wrote down that God told them to tell us His ways....but we can't understand them anyways.

......yep, makes tons of sense.

Alf

First off, it does not account for natural evil. Tsunamis, hurricanes etc which causes tragedies and suffering but no human is behind the tragedy or suffering.

True, some christians will claim those do not count as they are not "evil" in their mind. It is just nature taking its course and we happened to be in the way. Of course, such a view is only possible if God is not a person like being with intentions etc and so it actually doesn't cohere with the christian view of god but they don't mind to steal concepts from other world views as long as it appears to provide an explanation which works for them.

The point is that if God is a being with intent and power etc then natural evils are still evils - it's just that instead of a human being the murderer it is god who is the murderer.

Some christian will then counter this by saying it is not god but satan who is behind those natural evils. It appears that satan is more powerful than God and God's omnipotence only covers heaven and the ability to make christians feel good when they pray. So much for omnipotence.

Secondly, there is nothing that would block an omnipotent god from making a world where simply nobody would want to do evil and still have free will. I believe I have free will but no matter how much I want to fly by my own capacity I cannot do it. I need some help of some form - a vehicle or some such to transport me through air. Yet nobody would say that I lack free will because I am unable to fly like a bird. By the same token the world could have been such that I would be unable to do evil and still have free will. Some christians then object that the value of moral values would then come to nothing. Well, that's is besides the point - if we were all unable to do evil then morality wouldn't be necessary and whole chapters of the buybull would never be needed in the first place and all humans would live happily together with the sheeps and lions in a paradise and nobody would miss morality. Morality as such is a "cure" or "remedy" to counter the fact that there is evil in the world, with no evil you don't need the remedy either - nor would we miss it.

It is putting the cart before the horse to then say that God wants us to value morality and so therefore allow evil to exist.

The point is that the whole argument is bogus through and through.

Alf

Merlin

Both are bothered.


I don't know God's mind or His ways.

But you know he's going to wipe out around half of humanity over a period of ten years. btw, any idea when this ten years is coming up?[/QUOTE]

He posted that (Bible prophecy)

Merlin

Philippians 1:21
For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.
22 If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know!
23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far

TomboyMom

What? Can you give a number?

TomboyMom

I take that as a yes? You don't mind being killed, or having your baby killed? A simple yes or no would be helpful.

JCS

If Adam was perfect at one point how did he lose that perefection? Oh yeah, he screwed up, or perhaps the standards for perfection were much lower in those days.

Merlin

The standards were lower.
Don't eat the fruit of that tree.

Gawen

TBmom, this is one of those sad examples where a person is so wrapped up in a religion that they have nearly forsaken humanity, for all its good and ills. That nearly nothing matters to them except for sitting next to a mythological creature to escape the wrath of a prophecy written thousands of years ago. Merlin is no doubt Rapture Ready.